Well, I got a question... I was playing a game as Russia, and Germany was advanced in ever way, at 1200 A.D. They had guns, and an army larger than the Turks spawn... How come even though they're so far ahead, they're always unstable/collapsing?
I also had another game recently, as the Turks... When I spawned, I met China, and when we traded World Maps, he already explored the New World, and had taken 2 Incan cities, and vassalized the Incas. This was a 600 A.D. start, so it's not like they started more advanced or anything...
My main question is, shouldn't there be a plague on the Europeans if Asia meets them first?
About the Germans: If Amsterdam's culture is too strong, or Germany has expanded too quickly to get other civs' core areas, they will be unstable.
About the Chinese discovering America: yes, they do cause a plague in America, but there is no plague that strikes the Old World. (which is what I've been arguing in the other thread about adding to the next version)
I also had another game recently, as the Turks... When I spawned, I met China, and when we traded World Maps, he already explored the New World, and had taken 2 Incan cities, and vassalized the Incas. This was a 600 A.D. start, so it's not like they started more advanced or anything...
My main question is, shouldn't there be a plague on the Europeans if Asia meets them first?
The conditions in Europe and Asia were such that they effectively served as a unit for the spread of disease. There was enough contact for that to happen. For example, there was the Black Death, which spread westward throughout Eurasia. On the other hand, America and Eurasia were far more separate as ecosystems go, so there was less resistance to each other's diseases on both sides.
The conditions in Europe and Asia were such that they effectively served as a unit for the spread of disease. There was enough contact for that to happen. For example, there was the Black Death, which spread westward throughout Eurasia. On the other hand, America and Eurasia were far more separate as ecosystems go, so there was less resistance to each other's diseases on both sides.
So doesn't that make it seem more like there should be a plague for BOTH New and Old worlds? Let's look at the Columbian Exchange... So many different plants and animals were traded between the New and Old worlds, so it should only make sense that they both get a plague when that happens... I think that should go with AnotherPacifist's idea... I think it's a great idea btw.
There are gameplay issues, though. I am sure the New World plague has a role in making American civs easier to conquer, by removing their defenders. Even if an Old World plague is realistic, is it:
1. implementable? Unlike Americans, the Old World civs are packed very tightly together. So does only one civ suffer, or the whole of Europe?
2. proportionate? How many civs get affected? If the tech leader gets to America first, does that further ****** the development of the slower researchers by subjecting them to a plague just as they were possibly catching up?
3. fun? Plague is not fun. Maybe it is necessary, but it's annoying.
Chalk me up with the cynics until I change my mind about those things.
I admit you got a lot of reason in your statements, but personally, the plague should either be for both, or for none. It makes the Spanish UHV way too easy, and it slows the already slow Namericans even more.
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If the tech leader gets to America first, does that further ****** the development of the slower researchers by subjecting them to a plague just as they were possibly catching up?
It would make some sense if plagues happened both ways, but they did not. Despite the Columbian Exchange, only America received a plague. This is probably because the majority of the European diseases were airborne, while the American diseases, yaws and syphilis, are not. Thus the European disease could transfer rapidly, while the American diseases would not.
Depends on your definition of rapid. Syphilis killed quite a lot of people quickly when it "arrived" on the scene. (No comment on the sexual proclivities of the Old World civs)
Okay, fine, but did at least over fifty percent of Europe come down with syphilis? The point is that because of the way the diseases were transmitted, the Old World gave the New World a plague and not the other way around. If instead of yaws the New World had something similar to a flu, with a structure different from Europe, than most likely Europe would have gotten another plague. In fact Europe would have been hit harder than the New World because of the close proximity people lived near each other, but it was not and did not.
Yet, Europe had different diseases, and more animals. On the New World, they had more plants than animals, so less diseases, yet they could of had diseases that originated from plants?
Yes, Go to Documents/ My Games/ Beyond the Sword. Open up the CivilizationIV.ini file. Scroll down to where it says Specify a Mod Folder. Replace the "0" with "Mods/ Rhye's and Fall of Civilization". No quotes.
Yes, the easiest way to do so is to go to the RFC mods folder, find the public maps, and make whichever ones you want to use shortcuts on the desktop. Opening those shortcuts will then take you straight to the choose a civilization page.
Hi I just recently downloaded RFC MP and I was wondering where I find people to play with since you need to set it up with another player first, is there like a forum or something?
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