Rat29 1BC AWM - pangaea
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el_filet
Prince
sorry, should have known therat will play his turns so quickly.
i got it, but won't play today. rodent can move forward if he wants to, will certainly have a look into the forum before i start playing.
i got it, but won't play today. rodent can move forward if he wants to, will certainly have a look into the forum before i start playing.
Rodent
Carnage
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Turn 1- 3 cavalry are produced.
Army kills 2 crusaders and a knight and goes home to heal
Cavalry kills a knight
Cavalry army leaves antium and destroys pompeii.
Mace army kills musket
Cavalries kill Pikeman and spearman and Jerusalem is no more
IT- Greeks capture Rhodes. we will recapture it next turn.
Turn 2- Abandon Antium
Army kills a musket and we capture lugdunum
Army kills a knight and an Hoplite and Rhodes is razed.
Take a risk with a red-lined elite knight and attack another red lined knight. Our guy wins, we get a leader
Naboplasser rushes to the nearest city and builds an army. we need cavalry to fill these guys
Turn 3- Physics is learned. start magnetism for ships
Cavalry kills a spear and we destroy caesaraugusta
Our armies find athens.
Med inf army kills a hoplite in thermopylae
Cavalry Armies kill 2 Pikemen and we capture stockholm
lose 2 cavalries against the irritating musket hero
Army kills a musket in Ravenna
Check up on rome. they have 3 cities remaining. 2 which we can see right now.
Turn 4- We destroy a strange sounding incan city
We attack and destroy Thermopylae
Kill a Hoplite in Sparta
Destroy and abandon Birka and stockholm
Turn 5- We raze Ravenna
We Raze Halicarnassus
MI army moves into position near athens.
Turn 6- I keep forgetting to keep tabs on production
Army knocks out Bodo and kills a berserk.
Turn 7- Capture Trebizond.
Raze Knossos
Raze Neapolis
Raze Lutetia and rome is out of the game
Have to abandon Rome because army is red lined and byz made a landing 
Check up on Byzantines, they have 7 cities
, maybe they are not on an island.
Turn 8- Lose a lot of slaves, who cares.
Raze Naissus
Turn 9- Hide Workers in Molde, Bangalore and Bombay
We capture Sparta
Armies ready to march on Athens
Turn 10- Army takes out 4 defenders in Athens, a fortified knight is all thats left
We capture Copenhagen
And that is all.
I might not have done the best job, but we are close to winning.
Byzantines have 5 cities
Greece has 4 (soon to be 3) cities
Inca is our last rival, whose borders we have reached with 2 cavalry armies.
Vikings have 5 cities
Good luck to the next guy.
Army kills 2 crusaders and a knight and goes home to heal
Cavalry kills a knight
Cavalry army leaves antium and destroys pompeii.
Mace army kills musket
Cavalries kill Pikeman and spearman and Jerusalem is no more
IT- Greeks capture Rhodes. we will recapture it next turn.
Turn 2- Abandon Antium
Army kills a musket and we capture lugdunum
Army kills a knight and an Hoplite and Rhodes is razed.
Take a risk with a red-lined elite knight and attack another red lined knight. Our guy wins, we get a leader
Naboplasser rushes to the nearest city and builds an army. we need cavalry to fill these guys
Turn 3- Physics is learned. start magnetism for ships
Cavalry kills a spear and we destroy caesaraugusta
Our armies find athens.
Med inf army kills a hoplite in thermopylae
Cavalry Armies kill 2 Pikemen and we capture stockholm
lose 2 cavalries against the irritating musket hero
Army kills a musket in Ravenna
Check up on rome. they have 3 cities remaining. 2 which we can see right now.
Turn 4- We destroy a strange sounding incan city
We attack and destroy Thermopylae
Kill a Hoplite in Sparta
Destroy and abandon Birka and stockholm
Turn 5- We raze Ravenna
We Raze Halicarnassus
MI army moves into position near athens.
Turn 6- I keep forgetting to keep tabs on production
Army knocks out Bodo and kills a berserk.
Turn 7- Capture Trebizond.
Raze Knossos
Raze Neapolis
Raze Lutetia and rome is out of the game
Have to abandon Rome because army is red lined and byz made a landing
Check up on Byzantines, they have 7 cities
, maybe they are not on an island.Turn 8- Lose a lot of slaves, who cares.
Raze Naissus
Turn 9- Hide Workers in Molde, Bangalore and Bombay
We capture Sparta
Armies ready to march on Athens
Turn 10- Army takes out 4 defenders in Athens, a fortified knight is all thats left
We capture Copenhagen
And that is all.
I might not have done the best job, but we are close to winning.
Byzantines have 5 cities
Greece has 4 (soon to be 3) cities
Inca is our last rival, whose borders we have reached with 2 cavalry armies.
Vikings have 5 cities
Good luck to the next guy.
el_filet
Prince
i got it
with conquest it probably won't be the last set, but let somebody else finish it anyway. can't do the honors every time...
with conquest it probably won't be the last set, but let somebody else finish it anyway. can't do the honors every time...
el_filet
Prince
halfway, it's getting too late due to civ crashes. pushing forward goes well, but had to abandon some unprotected cities.
Since this will probably be the last turnset i will play in this SG, I would like comments and tips from the experts, whether i can improve and whether i can move up etc etc
Been a bit busy lately, but I still hope to load your game and offer concrete comments.
el_filet
Prince
Turn 0:
reduce science
our opponents have few cities left and are far from MT and nationalism.
people happy, decent production. only geography can slow us down now.
IBT:
MI wins against knight
magnetism->ZoG in 7@-20gpt
most cities love their king
Turn 1:
capture chuito
capture athens
IBT:
LB attack our army in copenhagen
resistance in both new cities quelled
Turn 2:
switch most muskets to cav, they won't arrive in time to help i suspect.
kill the units around copenhagen
IBT:
greek units show up in the south.
byzantines walk around in the jungle too
cuzco completes magellan
Turn 3:
abandon lugdunum
IBT:
those greek units are annoying, lose slave and cannon
byz landing, we'll lose another city
Turn 4:
capture delphi and corinth
abandon alesund
rush reg pike in marathon
capture aarhus
disband the trebs in aarhus for privateer
Turn 5:
kill the roaming greek knights
reduce science
capture caesarea
IBT:
lose privateer to dromons
starvations and resistors quelled
Turn 6:
kill 4 muskets in constantinople
IBT:
we enter IA
ToG->we draw medicine->steam
not sure it's worth going for steam, but with conquest we don't need the gold either
Turn 7:
capture constantinople
science to 90%, 10 turns@-66gpt
IBT:
some resistors quelled
Turn 8:
scientist bring steam down to 8
raze nicaea
raze vilcas
almost missed some units that landed in the fog near athens
Turn 9:
capture heraclea
forget once more razed cities don't have roads left and move cav army on mountain
IBT:
cav on slaves holds off LB but loses to musket
enough starvation on greeks, will only starve constantinople now
resistance in corinth and heraclea ended
Turn 10:
capture trondheim
raze adrianople
Notes:
cannons are meant to get rid of fog
slaves are mostly in groups in hope of rails
army in front of varna. might be a good idea to move armies in constantinople in front of smyrna to wipe out byzantines next turn.
reduce science
our opponents have few cities left and are far from MT and nationalism.
people happy, decent production. only geography can slow us down now.
IBT:
MI wins against knight
magnetism->ZoG in 7@-20gpt
most cities love their king
Turn 1:
capture chuito
capture athens
IBT:
LB attack our army in copenhagen
resistance in both new cities quelled
Turn 2:
switch most muskets to cav, they won't arrive in time to help i suspect.
kill the units around copenhagen
IBT:
greek units show up in the south.
byzantines walk around in the jungle too
cuzco completes magellan
Turn 3:
abandon lugdunum
IBT:
those greek units are annoying, lose slave and cannon
byz landing, we'll lose another city
Turn 4:
capture delphi and corinth
abandon alesund
rush reg pike in marathon
capture aarhus
disband the trebs in aarhus for privateer
Turn 5:
kill the roaming greek knights
reduce science
capture caesarea
IBT:
lose privateer to dromons
starvations and resistors quelled
Turn 6:
kill 4 muskets in constantinople
IBT:
we enter IA
ToG->we draw medicine->steam
not sure it's worth going for steam, but with conquest we don't need the gold either
Turn 7:
capture constantinople
science to 90%, 10 turns@-66gpt
IBT:
some resistors quelled
Turn 8:
scientist bring steam down to 8
raze nicaea
raze vilcas
almost missed some units that landed in the fog near athens
Turn 9:
capture heraclea
forget once more razed cities don't have roads left and move cav army on mountain
IBT:
cav on slaves holds off LB but loses to musket
enough starvation on greeks, will only starve constantinople now
resistance in corinth and heraclea ended
Turn 10:
capture trondheim
raze adrianople
Notes:
cannons are meant to get rid of fog
slaves are mostly in groups in hope of rails
army in front of varna. might be a good idea to move armies in constantinople in front of smyrna to wipe out byzantines next turn.
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Ok, I got it.
ThERat
Deity
This looks as if it is going to be wrapped up soon.
As TheOverseer mentioned, emperor on pangaea would be next. I think that won't be that easy, as even in this game the initial phase was rather dicey. But, of course, we can try if the team is game. We only need to chose a proper Civ. I liked the religious trait for the short anarchy. Maybe, we could try Japan with a much delayed UU. Or the Celts with a very powerful UU?
As TheOverseer mentioned, emperor on pangaea would be next. I think that won't be that easy, as even in this game the initial phase was rather dicey. But, of course, we can try if the team is game. We only need to chose a proper Civ. I liked the religious trait for the short anarchy. Maybe, we could try Japan with a much delayed UU. Or the Celts with a very powerful UU?
TheOverseer714
Overseer
With Japan, the late UU could be a killer, but we could probably survive that long. With both being religious, short anarchy and cheap temples are good. Japan does get cheap barracks and a head start on HBR, since the Wheel and Warrior Code are freebies. I will say my latest foray against Japan made me respect the Samurai, I was losing multiple cavalry vs unforted samurai. As always, Celts sound like a winner. The UU is a bit pricey, but the 2 move swords are very powerful. Cheap temples, fast growth. Either civ sounds good.
1375 AD: Looks good.
IBT: Berserker lands.
1380 AD: Kill Berserk.
Capture Smyrna and Varna. Byzantines aren't destroyed.
Capture Reykjavik from the Vikings.
IBT: Byz settler lands.
1385 AD: Byzantines are Destroyed. when I destroy the settler.
Capture Oslo and attack Bergen (Viking capitol)
Get a Leader and form a Cav Army
Capture Machu Picchu (Incan). Attack Tiwanaka.
IBT: Lose a Cav on a hill that was pillaging Incan Iron.
1390 AD: Capture Bergen Vikings are Destroyed
Pillaged Incan Saltpeter. They now have no resources
Tiwanaka Captured. Incans have 6 cities left. Greeks (at most) 1.
1395 AD: Healing.
1400 AD: Healing and move up
1405 AD: Attack Cuzco and Huamanga. Both are heavily guarded.
IBT: We get Steam and a scientific leader as well.
1410 AD: Decide to Rush Mil Acad rather than Newton.
Capture Cuzco, Huamanga, and Vilcambra. Running high gold to rush boats. Started Rails.
1415 AD: Capture ollantaytambo, and Corihuayrachina. Attack last Incan town of Vilcos.
Spot Greek border off the coast. Fortunately, I was clever enough to only put 3 units in the Army I founded. This is an example where it worth having a size 3 army even if we are playing Pangea. Hopefully it is not a size 1 island.
1420 AD: Capture Vitcos. Incans are Destroyed
1425 AD: Land on Greek Island. Rush frigates to try to Kill Greek Galley in case it has a settler.
1430 AD: Kill city and the Greeks are Gone
Included save if anyone wants to see how it played out.
IBT: Berserker lands.
1380 AD: Kill Berserk.
Capture Smyrna and Varna. Byzantines aren't destroyed.
Capture Reykjavik from the Vikings.
IBT: Byz settler lands.
1385 AD: Byzantines are Destroyed. when I destroy the settler.
Capture Oslo and attack Bergen (Viking capitol)
Get a Leader and form a Cav Army
Capture Machu Picchu (Incan). Attack Tiwanaka.
IBT: Lose a Cav on a hill that was pillaging Incan Iron.
1390 AD: Capture Bergen Vikings are Destroyed
Pillaged Incan Saltpeter. They now have no resources
Tiwanaka Captured. Incans have 6 cities left. Greeks (at most) 1.
1395 AD: Healing.
1400 AD: Healing and move up
1405 AD: Attack Cuzco and Huamanga. Both are heavily guarded.
IBT: We get Steam and a scientific leader as well.
1410 AD: Decide to Rush Mil Acad rather than Newton.
Capture Cuzco, Huamanga, and Vilcambra. Running high gold to rush boats. Started Rails.
1415 AD: Capture ollantaytambo, and Corihuayrachina. Attack last Incan town of Vilcos.
Spot Greek border off the coast. Fortunately, I was clever enough to only put 3 units in the Army I founded. This is an example where it worth having a size 3 army even if we are playing Pangea. Hopefully it is not a size 1 island.
1420 AD: Capture Vitcos. Incans are Destroyed
1425 AD: Land on Greek Island. Rush frigates to try to Kill Greek Galley in case it has a settler.
1430 AD: Kill city and the Greeks are Gone
Included save if anyone wants to see how it played out.
I am going to vote for Japan.
ThERat
Deity
congrats to the team!!! well played
I don't think it was too easy a game and this team has played it out pretty well.
Let's see how we can perform as the Japanese then on Emperor
I don't think it was too easy a game and this team has played it out pretty well.
Let's see how we can perform as the Japanese then on Emperor
el_filet
Prince
well done team, on to emperor now.
the expensive uu of the celts would fit into obc (lower support costs, higher action radius), but japan is certainly a good choice too.
i'll be on vacation from 26.6. until 7.7.
the expensive uu of the celts would fit into obc (lower support costs, higher action radius), but japan is certainly a good choice too.
i'll be on vacation from 26.6. until 7.7.
ThERat
Deity
I did not play after you, but I think you didn't play shabby at all. I don't see any reason why you could not continue with us. Just pay a little more attention to MM and you should be doing fine
I will start the new game on the weekend.
I checked out your final turn and it looked pretty good. I can list some general pointers.
1) We did lose several cities during the endgame. If this was intentional, then that is fine - sometimes it is worth having an army move on and abandon a town. The only thing to comment here is to plan ahead to try to get Cavalry or Muskets into the towns when you can because kept towns can be good science farms. You can also sometimes allow the enemy to take a town and then take it back of course.
2) I saw a number of fortified units that might have been some use on the front - mostly artillery units. Remember to check cities for fortified units and move them forward. (Of course also leave some offense/defense for defending coastal cities) I also feel it is worth sending Elite attackers and defenders toward the front to maximize leader potential. Don't use Elites for MP unless really obsolete. In this game we had no need for MP so all Elite could be advanced.
3) Remember in the early game not to attack outward when it exposes units if your defense is better. Also remember injured units tend to retreat to heal so leaving a single injured unit to retreat rather than attacking into danger is good.
4) As the Rat mentioned MM is important. It is my belief that you can increase your skill a full level (e.g. from Monarch to Emperor) if you go from very little MM to good MM.
5) Generally you can play SG's at a higher level than members of the team can play solo because you share knowledge. I think you can give the next game a try Rodent. Just feel free to stop and ask if you want to.
Rodent
Carnage
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Thanks for the pointers 
Regarding 1) it was intentional, i only kept the cities to let the armies heal quickly and then abandoned them.
with 2) i just got lazy
. i figured armies would do the job.
No comment on 3) cause you are right
regarding 4) I am usually short on time and if i start microing, i will only be able to play in weekends
I would like to play Japan, Gallic swords seem like a expensive mountie to me. The wheel allows us to spot horses from the start. Religious is not really good for a AW trait but we can still use it to stay in republic and switch to monarchy to get rid of WW , This allows us to fight with republic indefinitely
Cheaper Barracks mean they can be whipped.
Regarding 1) it was intentional, i only kept the cities to let the armies heal quickly and then abandoned them.
with 2) i just got lazy
. i figured armies would do the job.No comment on 3) cause you are right
regarding 4) I am usually short on time and if i start microing, i will only be able to play in weekends
I would like to play Japan, Gallic swords seem like a expensive mountie to me. The wheel allows us to spot horses from the start. Religious is not really good for a AW trait but we can still use it to stay in republic and switch to monarchy to get rid of WW , This allows us to fight with republic indefinitely
Cheaper Barracks mean they can be whipped.
On 4 you don't need to spend every turn with lots of MM. In the early game there is only a few cities and turns are fast, so you can take more time on it.
In the later game, going through the cities twice in 10 turns will remove lame choices made by the computer when cities grow - mostly when it choses shields in corrupt towns. Do this and you will be doing much better than not at all. Doing more is better of course, but this much will get you most of the way there.
Also for CivAssist II can be great for telling you about cities that will riot with no work on your part. (just be careful about moving out MP)
In the later game, going through the cities twice in 10 turns will remove lame choices made by the computer when cities grow - mostly when it choses shields in corrupt towns. Do this and you will be doing much better than not at all. Doing more is better of course, but this much will get you most of the way there.
Also for CivAssist II can be great for telling you about cities that will riot with no work on your part. (just be careful about moving out MP)
