Jaffa Tamarin
Monkey Cult
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Didn't we just do that, in RBD18 (more or less) ?
RBD - Succession Game Ideas
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Didn't we just do that, in RBD18 (more or less) ?
Carbon_Copy
Elemental
Interesting...summed, I suppose (as 3d6 with each die as a digit would come out to 216 possibilities)? There are only 16 unique sums of a 3d6 roll, though, I was kind of hoping for more varied rulings from my Monkey Cult advisor. Maybe every time the Head Monkey of the cult (Jaffa) comes to power, he rewrites the table? Even then, considering that there are four to five people per SG and ten turns per player, that means that pretty much even the wacky and suicidal ones would get played once every round.
How about having a list of 72 possible results arranged in six lists of 12? Every turn you roll 1d6 to choose the list, then 2d6 to choose an item from the list? Plus the Head Monkey can change the table entries at his discretion (or not) when it is his turn. This seems to be about the best I can think of so that the list isn't too large or too small, with a weighted distribution of the results, and no exotic dice required.
What difficulty would this be? I think that Regent might be the best one for this, as that can allow ourselves more and stronger self-inflictions, which Jaffa can increase at his discretion if he finds us running too far ahead of the pack. Defnitely not anything higher than Monarch, at least.
How about having a list of 72 possible results arranged in six lists of 12? Every turn you roll 1d6 to choose the list, then 2d6 to choose an item from the list? Plus the Head Monkey can change the table entries at his discretion (or not) when it is his turn. This seems to be about the best I can think of so that the list isn't too large or too small, with a weighted distribution of the results, and no exotic dice required.
What difficulty would this be? I think that Regent might be the best one for this, as that can allow ourselves more and stronger self-inflictions, which Jaffa can increase at his discretion if he finds us running too far ahead of the pack. Defnitely not anything higher than Monarch, at least.
Sirian
Designer, Mohawk Games
Jaffa: yeah, more or less. Still... that game also has some other rules happening. Delayed Action would be a normal game other than the initial handicap.
LK: I tried that idea on my own months ago. On Regent. Um... the variant lasted about ten minutes. The first time a city governor selected a forest tile over a bonus grassland tile AND the extra shield from the forest tile was wasted because of corruption
I had the weed-smoking idiot governor 
beheaded, and filed that concept under "Whoa, These Ideas Suck So Hard, Their Faces Imploded". :mutant: 
It's one thing to hogtie yourself with major restrictions, and quite something else to give control of your civ to the AI. Try it and you'll get an all new understanding of why so few SG's are lost.
- Sirian
LK: I tried that idea on my own months ago. On Regent. Um... the variant lasted about ten minutes. The first time a city governor selected a forest tile over a bonus grassland tile AND the extra shield from the forest tile was wasted because of corruption
I had the weed-smoking idiot governor beheaded, and filed that concept under "Whoa, These Ideas Suck So Hard, Their Faces Imploded". :mutant: It's one thing to hogtie yourself with major restrictions, and quite something else to give control of your civ to the AI. Try it and you'll get an all new understanding of why so few SG's are lost.
- Sirian
Heh, timing was definately off on RBD25; with LOTR2 going on, you guys have all the ancient war you can stomach.
At the end of RBD9. Jester suggested we try a 5CC on a larger map (presumably on emperor.) Anyone care to try a 5CC (or OCC) on a huge map? Suggested difficulty being Emperor, but negotiable. I normally don't care for big map games, but could probably handle a big map in a OCC or 5CC format...
At the end of RBD9. Jester suggested we try a 5CC on a larger map (presumably on emperor.) Anyone care to try a 5CC (or OCC) on a huge map? Suggested difficulty being Emperor, but negotiable. I normally don't care for big map games, but could probably handle a big map in a OCC or 5CC format...
meldor
Deity
I kindsa like LK's idea of letting the governers have control. Maybe we could set the criteria for what the governer favored, either by rotation and random toss. Maybe at Monarch?
I would give it a shot.
I would give it a shot.
for a monkey cult game: random but equal-chance numbers aren't a problem, are they? It's the work of 15.3 seconds to program a random-number generator. And if someone out there can't tell the difference between "c" and "tea" 
, such a miniscule file would take 0.03 seconds to distribute.
, such a miniscule file would take 0.03 seconds to distribute.
Carbon_Copy
Elemental
If you want a quick-and-dirty RNG, I whipped one up. It asks for an upper bound, which should be a positive integer greater than 1, and will return a pseudo-random integer between 1 and the upper bound, inclusive. Every time you press enter, the Monkey Cult will then bestow another pseudo-random integer upon you until you enter "q" or "Q".
Included in the zip file is the source (in Java) so everyone can see how bad of a hack I am. If I worked for 20 more minutes, I could also get it to simulate xdy dice rolls if that would be desired.
I think I've stomped the bugs, but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
UPDATE:
I've fixed an off-by-one error that prevented the maximum value from appearing and the Monkey Cult Random Number Generator now supports simulating rolling dice in addition to picking from 1 to a number. When you are first prompted to state the upper bound, enter xdy without any spaces (where x and y are integers greater than or equal to 1 and 2, respectively), instead of just a plain number and you will be able to simulate rolling x number of y-sided dice. Ever felt the need to roll 7d13? Well, now you can!
Included in the zip file is the source (in Java) so everyone can see how bad of a hack I am. If I worked for 20 more minutes, I could also get it to simulate xdy dice rolls if that would be desired.
I think I've stomped the bugs, but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
UPDATE:
I've fixed an off-by-one error that prevented the maximum value from appearing and the Monkey Cult Random Number Generator now supports simulating rolling dice in addition to picking from 1 to a number. When you are first prompted to state the upper bound, enter xdy without any spaces (where x and y are integers greater than or equal to 1 and 2, respectively), instead of just a plain number and you will be able to simulate rolling x number of y-sided dice. Ever felt the need to roll 7d13? Well, now you can!
Carbon_Copy
Elemental
As has been mentioned here and at Apolyton, among other places, Friday should be the day when 1.21f is released upon the world. As this is the only really pan-RBD thread we have (and I didn't want to start a new topic), I would like to pose the question: Is there any reason why the SG handlers should not require 1.21? I will probably download 1.21 immediately and any SG that passes through me will be upgraded by my turn at the latest, unless there is a good reason why it shouldn't.
It sounds like the Emperor games in particular could benefit from some less hectic tech trading (if I am reading what the Readme infers about "advance AI tech trading" correctly), but some games like RBD23 might end up with invalid results if the patch changes game mechanics enough.
It sounds like the Emperor games in particular could benefit from some less hectic tech trading (if I am reading what the Readme infers about "advance AI tech trading" correctly), but some games like RBD23 might end up with invalid results if the patch changes game mechanics enough.
Sirian
Designer, Mohawk Games
Asking players to delay patching is problematic at best. I am personally intent on finishing my solo deity game before I patch, so that's where I'm going to be until it's done, for as long as that takes me, and at ANY cost to taking my turns in the SG's I'm participating in. That game is almost over, relatively speaking, but I have too much invested in it to make a patch swap at the tail end, with tons of side effects.
Generally, though, I agree. Patching ASAP is probably the best way to go for the SG's overall. If any SG is severely adversely affected as a result, might be better to retire it and restart than try to drag it along with the old patch, especially if it's not already deep into the game.
- Sirian
Generally, though, I agree. Patching ASAP is probably the best way to go for the SG's overall. If any SG is severely adversely affected as a result, might be better to retire it and restart than try to drag it along with the old patch, especially if it's not already deep into the game.
- Sirian
Charis
Realms Beyond
Hopefully there will be save-file compatibility between the versions, and like 1.16 vs 1.17 it won't matter (much) if a person has a different version. The patch readme suggests there might be some new data though.
I don't think any rbd SG games except 23 will suffer from the patch, although finishing up some of the ones lingering in the end game would be nice.
LK - I liked your "city governor + automate worker" variant
Call it 'newbie' style! It's ideal for SG format cuz hey, no one is going to argue over whipping or courthouse or libraries...
Charis
I don't think any rbd SG games except 23 will suffer from the patch, although finishing up some of the ones lingering in the end game would be nice.
LK - I liked your "city governor + automate worker" variant
Call it 'newbie' style! It's ideal for SG format cuz hey, no one is going to argue over whipping or courthouse or libraries...
Charis
meldor
Deity
How many people would be interested in a post patch game in which you must use bombardment to kill off all units inside a city before moving a unit in to capture it?
It would be the Pepe SOD variant......
It would be the Pepe SOD variant......
Charis
Realms Beyond
I need to avoid over typing this, so I'm using this common thread 
I've been getting sore wrists/hands a fair bit lately, and let them get a bit worse than they should. Not carpal tunnel or anything, just overuse - day job as Developer and playing most nights will do that. Somedays its consulting or design, but past two weeks have been heads down, hands on the keyboard coding. If I don't take a break now, it could get a lot worse.
I'm taking about a week or two "pass" in all SG's 8-\
I especially don't like getting "up" in several, delaying them, and only now passing, but I thought the pain would disappear quickly.
rbd8 Vikings - Skip me (*horrible* time, Marines almost here)
rbd19 BigBro - Skip (even with its long time frame)
rbd21 ET - Can skip or 'hold' as you feel comfortable 8-\
rbd14 Enviro - Finally Canton gets a break from
rbd13 Cretans and 6Mayans - These ones is showing folks ARE busy, eh?
rbd19 Army - skip me
Sussex - It'll be done before I'm back
Diplomacy - have been quiet, will continue to be (good job Falcon)
Sorry
Charis
I've been getting sore wrists/hands a fair bit lately, and let them get a bit worse than they should. Not carpal tunnel or anything, just overuse - day job as Developer and playing most nights will do that. Somedays its consulting or design, but past two weeks have been heads down, hands on the keyboard coding. If I don't take a break now, it could get a lot worse.
I'm taking about a week or two "pass" in all SG's 8-\
I especially don't like getting "up" in several, delaying them, and only now passing, but I thought the pain would disappear quickly.
rbd8 Vikings - Skip me (*horrible* time, Marines almost here)
rbd19 BigBro - Skip (even with its long time frame)
rbd21 ET - Can skip or 'hold' as you feel comfortable 8-\
rbd14 Enviro - Finally Canton gets a break from
rbd13 Cretans and 6Mayans - These ones is showing folks ARE busy, eh?
rbd19 Army - skip me
Sussex - It'll be done before I'm back
Diplomacy - have been quiet, will continue to be (good job Falcon)
Sorry
Charis
Sirian
Designer, Mohawk Games
Rest up, take care of yourself.
Maybe get one of those squeezy balls (rubber or plush) and work your hand(s) in a different way than you have been? Helps me from time to time when I overdo typing and my left hand "goes out" on me with weakness, numbness, or fatigue. Then again, maybe ask your doctor first.
Definitely stay away from any D1 games, too.
Let us know when things are better. Canton will be waiting.
- Sirian
Maybe get one of those squeezy balls (rubber or plush) and work your hand(s) in a different way than you have been? Helps me from time to time when I overdo typing and my left hand "goes out" on me with weakness, numbness, or fatigue. Then again, maybe ask your doctor first.
Definitely stay away from any D1 games, too.
Let us know when things are better. Canton will be waiting.
- Sirian
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