Ready for Immortal?

[Chee]

I won my first two games at Emperor after only spending a handful of games at King (all victories).

One Emperor was Science win (with Babylon) and the second was Diplomatic with Polynesia. Babylon was around 270 turns and Polynesia was around 300 turns.

I have been watching some excellent videos from MadDjinn and Wainy which have helped my strategies immensely.

I am wondering whether to move straight up to Immortal or stick with Emperor for a while?

 

[apocalypse105]

Just try it When I was comfortable with prince I moved on king withouth thinxing if I will beat it.

I am now comfortable with king So I moved up to emperor I lost but I learned and I won my second game.


They say if you don't try it you will never know and its basicly a learning experience.

ANd emperor is fun most balanced difficulty in my opinion


Tips :

Don't try to wonder spam you can build a few wonders on emperor but don't go crazy

 

[The Pilgrim]

Don't try to wonder spam

This. If you're not addicted to wonder spamming and don't build your entire strategy around them, you should just jump in. I played a single game on king (after all major patches), moved up to emperor, didn't see any difference and moved up to immortal right away. Even if you have some hard time at the beginning it's fine. You'll not learn how to handle immortal by playing on emperor, so go ahead and try it.
Good luck!

 

[bhavv]

Actually you can wonder spam on emperor, but you can't on immortal.

When moving onto immortal I swapped from wonder spamming to trying Greece, and together with an easy isolated start it was too easy.

I'm going to try Siam next as I want to use a city state tactic on immortal, but I would prefer to have Wats rather than two UUs.

I'm having to take a break from using the PC though due to RSI, I want to get back to playing more immortal Civ V

 

[Chee]

I don't really wonder spam, in fact I only ever really go for Great Library, Hagia Sophia and Porcelain Tower and not always in the same game.

I might just give Immortal a go, with a random civ. If I get trounced, I will stick with Emperor for a while.

 

[joncnunn]

Emperor to Immortal is a pretty big leap.
But if your running away with your victories at Emperor, give it a go.

(A run away science victory would be when none of the AIs have built Apollo)

However, I'm also noting you won as Babylon; might be better to win a science victory under a more normal civ first.
(Not Babylon, nor Korea, nor Siam, nor Arabs; nor Spain if you were first to a key natural wonders early; but instead some civ with no advantages towards science)

 

[bhavv]

No Arabs? Why not? Inca are stronger than them, Spain and Siam for GPT.

Siam only get faster tech rate through legalism abuse, you could just play them and not use the tradition tree. Even Aztecs with their UB have an advantage if played for a science win and have some lake tiles around. So do Greece if you pump loads of gold into city states.

 

[joncnunn]

No Arabs? Why not? Inca are stronger than them, Spain and Siam for GPT.

Siam only get faster tech rate through legalism abuse, you could just play them and not use the tradition tree. Even Aztecs with their UB have an advantage if played for a science win and have some lake tiles around. So do Greece if you pump loads of gold into city states.

Incas: Map dependent. On the small island map: Their road savings are almost nothing; and won't be too many hills free of resources next to mountains.
But on a pangena map, yeah major road savings alone.

Arabs main advantage isn't much on the default small map; but scales very well with number of civs on larger maps, particularly with larger time scale.

In any case my list wasn't intended to be every single good civ.

 

[bhavv]

Well its the first time I've heard that the Arabs make science wins too easy, most people consider the +1 gold per trade route to be completely meaningless.

Default maps are standard size I thought. In any situation where you are building roads, which is like 99% of games, no civ will earn more GPT than Inca do through their road cost savings. The terrace isn't what makes Inca a top tier civ, its purely their GPT saving.

 

[joncnunn]

Well its the first time I've heard that the Arabs make science wins too easy, most people consider the +1 gold per trade route to be completely meaningless.

Default maps are standard size I thought. In any situation where you are building roads, which is like 99% of games, no civ will earn more GPT than Inca do through their road cost savings. The terrace isn't what makes Inca a top tier civ, its purely their GPT saving.

"Default" is actually small, but it remembers your choice if you don't go into advanced setting and makes it the new default.

Everybody usually assumes under the map size, speed, and play style they normally play at.

More on Arabs; its actually their UB that makes them powerful on large/huge maps with a lot of trading partners.
6 copies of a given luxury inside their empire: Now 12: Enough to supply every civ a copy for 240 gold each every 30 turns.

Incas: On tiny islands: Road savings : Almost nothing as you'll connect with all harbors and have few roads at all.

Iroquois: On some maps, their road savings will exceed the Incas: Envision a map full of forest and very few road tiles at all actually needed thanks to their UA.

 

[apocalypse105]

"Default" is actually small, but it remembers your choice if you don't go into advanced setting and makes it the new default.

Everybody usually assumes under the map size, speed, and play style they normally play at.

More on Arabs; its actually their UB that makes them powerful on large/huge maps with a lot of trading partners.
6 copies of a given luxury inside their empire: Now 12: Enough to supply every civ a copy for 240 gold each every 30 turns.

Incas: On tiny islands: Road savings : Almost nothing as you'll connect with all harbors and have few roads at all.

Iroquois: On some maps, their road savings will exceed the Incas: Envision a map full of forest and very few road tiles at all actually needed thanks to their UA.

Iroquois power is early wars As result puppet empire with massive's gold