Real-Life Civilization

[Hauptman]

So World War II is already won, but we have these nukes sitting about. Let's see what they do, just for lols.

Those poor barb isles....

 

[Lexicus]

(obviously) Aztecs, Mayans, Native Americans, Incans were on the slow continent and got pwned.

 

[Civ Vicious]

In the '60s. Nixon switched out of Universal Suffrage to police state, in order to quell war weariness. and it never got switched back. We didnt need to buy any builds anymore anyways, since all cities are building "culture" anyhow.

Same thing happened in Britain, no doubt Britain being prepared to support US lead wars in the interest of Anglo-American Energy companies, has lead it become one of the biggest police states in the world.

One thing Britain did in the 16th and 17th century was to support Privateers. The old pirate accent originated from the Southwest of England (still many of them speak like that today). The pirates recked havok on Spanish/French/Dutch ships and it was a great way in how the British dominated the seas and expanded their empire.

I loved the use of Privateers in CIV IV.

The other thing is false flags. I think that is one thing which is missing in Civ IV. Creating an event in which your citizens would support a war. But no doubt if that happened I think every Civ player would turn into a "conspiracy theorist".

 

[Lexicus]

Yeah, I think that would sort of defeat the purpose of the war weariness mechanic.

I think US is still in Universal Suffrage, we definitely use gold to rush units, we don't hard-build anything anymore. Though of course I can see why you would say Nixon adopted Police State.

If anything, Nixon adopted it, then we went back, then we re-adopted under Bush II and Obama kept it.

 

[civfanchambers]

Yeah, I think that would sort of defeat the purpose of the war weariness mechanic.

I think US is still in Universal Suffrage, we definitely use gold to rush units, we don't hard-build anything anymore. Though of course I can see why you would say Nixon adopted Police State.

If anything, Nixon adopted it, then we went back, then we re-adopted under Bush II and Obama kept it.

I agree, furthermore Obama seems to be bringing the US towards state property. Corporations, small business, private property, healthcare all belong to the government in Obama's eyes.

 

[Pangaea]

I agree, furthermore Obama seems to be bringing the US towards state property. Corporations, small business, private property, healthcare all belong to the government in Obama's eyes.

That's an odd interpretation from an international perspective. But then the US is a bit of an oddball when it comes to politics.

Kind of a mix between Tokugawa and Shaka, but with modernity thrown in. Detests most around them, with middle-finger diplomacy, but builds units like nobody's business.

The Middle East then. The world discovers Scientific Method, and notices a great deal of oil barrels spotted all over the region. Combustion is discovered, and bombers, carriers, transports and battleships are quickly sent into their cultural borders to take control of the valuables. After setting up an offshore colony, the barbs rebel in a random event, and there has been anarchy since, as both government and barbs try to decide what options to tick.

 

[Lexicus]

I agree, furthermore Obama seems to be bringing the US towards state property. Corporations, small business, private property, healthcare all belong to the government in Obama's eyes.

Total nonsense, of course.

Nah, Nixon switched us to Environmentalism but Reagan took us back to Free Market where we've been ever since. Don't listen to the Fox News talking heads, it causes brain damage

US DoW on Khmer in 1955, when they asked us to leave their borders (Oh wait, that's Civ III mechanic--whatever )

 

[reddishrecue]

Islamic missionaries in Sumeria and Babylon (Jordan) found an american spy died from the air strikes that happened. (American spy captured)

 

[HeliosDisciple]

I agree, furthermore Obama seems to be bringing the US towards state property. Corporations, small business, private property, healthcare all belong to the government in Obama's eyes.

State Property is a good choice for the US, though. Maintenance cost is killing us.

 

[The Diocletian]

I agree, furthermore Obama seems to be bringing the US towards state property. Corporations, small business, private property, healthcare all belong to the government in Obama's eyes.

It amuses me that my fellow Americans don't seem to realize that in elections you have the choice between the somewhat-far-right (Republicans) and the center-right (Democrats). I'd hate to see what kind of reaction an actual progressive/liberal party (with mainstream support) would garner if it emerges.

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For example, consider this picture:

Spoiler :

This image is from www.politicalcompass.org, where one can fill out a survey and be listed on a two-axis political graph. As you can see, on both economic and social issues, Barack Obama and all the major Republican candidates are very close together. An actual person who supported State Property would find him self more or less completely opposite of Obama on the economic scale, while a mere socialist would find himself more towards the center.

tl;dr American politics are incredibly right-wing compared to most other countries (but especially the 1st world) on Earth, Democrats/Obama are not socialists/communists.

 

[Macksideshow]

For example, consider this picture:

Spoiler :

This image is from www.politicalcompass.org, where one can fill out a survey and be listed on a two-axis political graph.

Lol, I took the test. Apparently I am Ghandi. Like exactly Ghandi in my political views.

 

[Lexicus]

I always end up in the far bottom left corner when I take the political compass.

But let's try to keep things on topic, I don't want this to turn into a political debate.

 

[Flipantropo]

Lol, I took the test. Apparently I am Ghandi. Like exactly Ghandi in my political views.

The test lacks an intermediate response between "agree" and "disagree". Something like "how would i know?", as I thought when asked "controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment"

 

[TheNoob]

In the 2010's, North Korea is currently built up a stack of ICBMs.

 

[Macksideshow]

The test lacks an intermediate response between "agree" and "disagree". Something like "how would i know?", as I thought when asked "controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment"

I noticed that too and agree with you.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

In the 2010's, North Korea is currently built up a stack of ICBMs.

That's what their propaganda wants you to believe. In reality they are still working on their first one because the AI is a bloody moron who keeps building different improvement on the same tile over and over again, replacing farms with workshops and workshops with forts and forts cottages and cottages with farms etc. I don't even know if at this point they are still running Police State or have switched to Hereditary Rule. Running Nationhood and State Property is pretty stupid too with such a small civ. At least they know how to use the whip right, trying to whip smaller stuff to get the overflow into a nuke, but they must be accumulating a lot of unhappiness there especially if they also draft every turn. I don't think they are building anything but units in fact, their maintenance must be crazy. They've been preparing for war for decades while South Korea leaves them in the dust with all their mature towns and corporations. Someone should really put them out of their misery, but even if their army is backwards as hell I think nobody wants to mess with the sheer numbers they have in their SoD, so everyone keeps bribing them with resource and money gifts.

Regarding the political compass, I don't know what to answer to the "our race is superior" question (don't know the exact wording). I'd agree if it refers to humanity versus animals but disagree if it's about superficial nonsense like skin pigmentation.

 

[The Diocletian]

Regarding the political compass, I don't know what to answer to the "our race is superior" question (don't know the exact wording). I'd agree if it refers to humanity versus animals but disagree if it's about superficial nonsense like skin pigmentation.

I believe it refers to skin pigmentation.

And I do agree with the criticism wrt the lack of a middle option in the survey.

 

[ringwraith18]

Political compass is garbage. I used to think it was pretty cool was 16 and thought I was a communist, now I'm older I think it has a very strange view of mainstream politics. It regards virtually all contemporary politicians as being authoriarian and right-wing, when in reality most of them are, by global standards, very liberal (if economically right-wing).

It's easy to write the USA off as being right-wing as a European, and to an extent they are. But most Americans are actually very centrist and tolerant, and the politics, once you remove the rhetoric and chest-beating, isn't that extreme.

 

[The Diocletian]

Political compass is garbage. I used to think it was pretty cool was 16 and thought I was a communist, now I'm older I think it has a very strange view of mainstream politics. It regards virtually all contemporary politicians as being authoriarian and right-wing, when in reality most of them are, by global standards, very liberal (if economically right-wing).

It's easy to write the USA off as being right-wing as a European, and to an extent they are. But most Americans are actually very centrist and tolerant, and the politics, once you remove the rhetoric and chest-beating, isn't that extreme.

I will agree that it tends to slightly exaggerate the conservatism of all people, but I think it's fairly accurate.

"Global standards" today does not necessarily encompass all political thought. For example, when you consider that policies like total anarchism are near the bottom of the graph, modern politicians that follow "global standards" for governance seem extremely conservative. And when you consider the communism of the likes of Joseph Stalin, the economic theories of the rest of the modern world that follows "global standards" seems fairly conservative.

(ps sorry for the use of "scare quotes" )

I used to think it was pretty cool was 16 and thought I was a communist

Been there, done that.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

It regards virtually all contemporary politicians as being authoriarian and right-wing, when in reality most of them are, by global standards, very liberal (if economically right-wing).

I'd say that says more abouit the sad state of global standards than it does about America.