Real World

[Syntherio]

Look at the limitations of speech in France or Germany

What are you talking about?

 

[kingjoshi]

What are you talking about?

Nazi speech. Hateful speech, even if it's non-violent. Etc.

It's funny when you look at the stuff Google and other search engines have/had to censor due to the governments. I'm not saying the US is completely "Free", but relatively, it's still great.

 

[wcil]

India, Diplomatic or Cultural

 

[Syntherio]

Nazi speech. Hateful speech, even if it's non-violent. Etc.

There is no "etc."... I don´t know, what you think, but i agree with the idea to prohibit public speech like "The massmurder of jews has never happened!" or "Lets go to [insert any country] and kill those damned [insert any swearword]!"

Maybe we have different ideas of freedom and peace, but I don´t like peoples who try to set up other people against someone. I think it is right to prevent a witchhunt.

 

[kingjoshi]

There is no "etc."... I don´t know, what you think, but i agree with the idea to prohibit public speech like "The massmurder of jews has never happened!" or "Lets go to [insert any country] and kill those damned [insert any swearword]!"

Maybe we have different ideas of freedom and peace, but I don´t like peoples who try to set up other people against someone. I think it is right to prevent a witchhunt.

I don't like people who are bigoted, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to have their say. However, inciting violence (in terms of conspiratory note or being an accomplish) or threatening is and should be illegal. Saying stupid things should not be illegal just because you disagree with it or dislike it.

I may find someone's views or what they says to be complete BS but I will always defend their right to say it. We battle ignorance and hate not through legislation but through education, discussion and caring about others becoming informed so we take the time to do it in a civil manner (versus launching verbal assualts at them).

Legislating against this freedom has the negative effects of inticing some youths to it ("ooh, it's against the law so maybe there's something special they don't want us to know") as well as creating a barrier in trying to reach those that have fallen ("hey, they don't even respect me enough to think I have a right to say what I believe. why should I even listen to them?"). We nee less legislation and more discussion and education.

 

[Sisonpyh]

I am American to and I think you are way to arrogont of your country.. I mean there is more to the world than the US... And more powerful countries...

Arrogant of my country? Please tell me how you deciphered that one from my previous post.

And theres more to the world than AMERIKKKA? I wouldn't know this of course, since according Zombie69, we Americans are all delusional puppets being influenced by the progranda and our Freedom of Speech doesn't exist since President Bush listens to me having phone sex with my GF.

 

[Panda]

Option #1: Italy, Greece, or China wins a cultural victory.
Option #2: Russia wins a Time victory due to huge land mass.

Can't say I see a dominaton, diplomatic or space race victory emerging.

 

[eddie_verdde]

If the actual countries were playing Civ4, who would be winning? I'm saying Europe, Cultural Victory.

I agree with you. The European Culture shaped the majority of today's world.

Other possibilities:

- China or Africa, Domination Victory (land area + population)

- USA, Space Race

- USA, Diplomatic Victory

- Portugal, Cork Production Victory

 

[Mauritania]

Forget British cultural victory...

BBC cultural victory

 

[Percinho]

Forget British cultural victory...

BBC cultural victory

cultural or domination?

I;m just glad that we own the shrine and reap the financial rewards from it all!

 

[Kenric af Grashen]

We're already in "Wait! Just One More Turn..." mode here.

and if we look at the bottom of the scren it says English empire Domination Victory!

 

[abj]

I will vote for whoever I feel is going to make the country in which I live a better place for me and my family. I think I speak for most Americans when I say I couldn't care less what some Canadian, Frenchmen, or Russian think is best for me and my family.

Quite right. The moment America acts in its own interests, the foreign labeling of the States as moronic, brainwashed, or representative of a decadent empire rises tremendously. I never understood this snobbish attitude, but hey, that's free speech.

 

[IamSid]

Hopefully the liberals will be able to take back the Congress next November.

 

[MRM]

We're already in "Wait! Just One More Turn..." mode here.

That was just the Apollo Project - you still have to go to alpha centauri ...

( I doubt that this will ever happen for any nation in this century )

So I would say cultural victory for china ( they are allready long enough around to collect all this culture points )

 

[Memphus]

1.Liberals. Because back when Jean Chrétien was Prime Minister, i said i'd start voting liberal when he steps down and Paul Martin takes over. Was voting conservative until then.

2.Conservatives : i can't vote for a party with those kinds of values. Not when i have an alternative.

3.NDP : they're left, i'm right. Enough said.

4.Bloc : i may live in Quebec, but i'm a federalist. If Quebec separates, i'll move to Canada.

I added in the numbers to the post.
Ok So i agree with you on Bloc and NDP, although not being from Quebec, without all the seperatist ideas I do like the way the bloc works. That being said it is alot easier to please people in a province then to try and pelse all people accros a country.


So that leaves #1,#2
In two you said you have different values, what exactly are those, I have heard the word "values" too many times this election without any one actually telling me what they are.

It isn't fair that you don't get my opinion as well. The conservatives are scary yes, maybe because of thier 'values' which no one will tell me what they are, but what I believe Canada needs right now is change, it doesn't matter to what but a change.

That being said the only change is to Conservative because NDP will not win, Green will not and as you have stated about the bloc.

Now could the Conversatives get out of control, honestly yes, but in thier first term no, too many eyes will be on them. Now that being said I sound very pro Conservative (I was brought up that way) when I am indeed not, I do vote for the praticular Candidate in my riding, which ever party they may represent, but the odd time as in this vote I need to voice my opinion and say
stealing is wrong. (the liberal MP in my electoral district is quoted as having said it is only X amount of money and we paid it back)

For me this is not right, even though alot of my socialist views line up liberal I can not vote that way this election.

So my final stance is fiscally I am conservative (which is Ironique because now they are looking at running a deficit if they win ) but socially I am liberal and believe in helping my fellow Canadian.

That being said, all politicians lie cheat and steal. *
*corrected most not all

But the longer someone is in power the easier this becomes (in this case the liberals), And not nessecarily that they mean to but the mroe familair you become with something the better you get, the more corners you may cut.
I.E. your playing civ for the very first time ever, your first game you take your time you read up on things you play a little more defensive. However the longer you play civ the more risks you are willing to take.

As again my post was I offer my on topic post:

This would be interesting to incorporate into a game of civ, National voting, in that depending on your government type you recieved periodic bonuses/penalties
I.E. Democracy: Bonus you populace is excited about a new election + 100gp
Penalty: Your populace is torn over who to vote for, +1 unhappy face per city for 3 turns

There are many things you could do here

 

[DementedAvenger]

That was just the Apollo Project - you still have to go to alpha centauri ...

( I doubt that this will ever happen for any nation in this century )

So I would say cultural victory for china ( they are allready long enough around to collect all this culture points )

But free speech gives double culture. And they razed all those Nepalese temples.

 

[Syntherio]

Legislating against this freedom has the negative effects of inticing some youths to it ("ooh, it's against the law so maybe there's something special they don't want us to know") as well as creating a barrier in trying to reach those that have fallen ("hey, they don't even respect me enough to think I have a right to say what I believe. why should I even listen to them?"). We nee less legislation and more discussion and education.

That sounds like you think that everyone in germany silents about the drittes reich. The facts: A whole year of historyclass in school deals with this topic. In high school two years. Prohibited are only propaganda-like speech. Nearly every week a documentation is shown in the tv. We have museums about this topic, internetpages, demonstrations and so on. The small group of "brown" people deny the history, its not like they dont know it.

I think, it is really ridiculous to believe, that we have no free speech in europe...

 

[Zombie69]

In two you said you have different values, what exactly are those, I have heard the word "values" too many times this election without any one actually telling me what they are.

Take anything the Republicans in the USA believe in, and you can apply that to the conservatives here. This means :

- Against equal rights for gays
- Against equal rights for women (very telling how it's the party with the fewest % of women as candidates)
- Stricter immigration rules
- So we're basically saying no gays, no women and no blacks
- Against gun control
- Against abortion
- Against Kyoto, don't care about the environment
- More religious (less so than in the USA of course)
- Less taxes and fewer services (i.e. leaning right)
- Pro war
- Maybe even pro death penalty, though this would never fly here

 

[Memphus]

@Zombie69
Thanks that is exactly the information no politician has ever been able to explain to me

That being said, could you also give me a breakdown of the 'left' values as well?

 

[Zombie69]

It's not about left and right. Left and right are terms describing how the government handles the economy. Left = collect more taxes and provide better services; right = less taxes and less services. Left = socialist; right = capitalist. Left favors the poor; right favors the rich.

We're talking about values here, not economy. Values are divided into two groups : conservative vs liberal (so the parties here are unimaginatively but rightly named). It just so happens that left is often associated with liberal, and right with conservative. But it doesn't have to be. In fact, i myself am a right wing liberal. Anyway, the liberals aren't left, the NDP is! Liberals are mostly centre regarding economic policy.

Liberal values are basically opposite conservative ones :

- Equal rights for gays, women, minorities, handicapped people, everyone
- Favor immigration
- Gun control laws
- Pro choice
- Favor the environment
- Separation of Church and State
- An emphasis on providing services
- Diplomacy rather than military