Sorry if this has been posted before but couldn't find it in a search. Anyway in this case Zimbabwe, which contained an extra Wine being traded to Gandhi for Ivory, flipped back to Shaka. Attending Cavalry immediately took it back on the succeeding turn. Much to my surprise the trade link to India was unbroken and Gandhi was still smiling. Is this normal? Thanks.
Recapturing flipped city on interturn avoids trade deal rupture?
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If this was an extra wine, then there wouldn't be a problem - you would lose your wine while Zimbabwe didn't belong to you, but India would still keep getting the wine you promised.
It might be that the game didn't check for trade routes while you didn't own Zimbabwe, but I think it is more likely that you just didn't notice that your wine was going to India instead of staying at home.
It might be that the game didn't check for trade routes while you didn't own Zimbabwe, but I think it is more likely that you just didn't notice that your wine was going to India instead of staying at home.
Thanks CKS. It was indeed an extra Wine (two actually in Zimbabwe's BFC) so must've been the single one in home territory that was temporarily lost. Wasn't aware this was possible, always thought [Edit: Wrongly. See following posts.] you couldn't give up a sole available Lux or Resource like that. Come to think of it, also had a Wine deal using the second one in Zimbabwe with Monty which WAS broken. Lucky for me Gandhi got the only Wine left since Monty's Numero Uno and I need Gandhi to fight him on their separate Continent. So my trade rep is indeed compromised and now Gandhi demands higher compensation for his precious Lux (two Strategic Resources!), which is easy enough to provide since Shaka has been consigned to the dustbin of history 
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The AI won't give up its only resource, but you can. This can be really useful when you are small - you can trade away a lux that you only have one of and get two or more in return, or one plus a bunch of gold. It can be useful when you desperately need something and you can afford to be without, say, saltpeter for a while. It can also be useful when a resource is obsolete - trading away horses or saltpeter once you have tanks, for example, if you don't mind taking advantage of the AI not realizing it isn't going to use horses for anything.
OK so how do you do this? In the trading screen only extra Resources are shown [Edit: WRONG! They DO show up. Just that my taboo against trading them effectively erases them from memory. Sorry 'bout that.]. Is this an Editor function or am I missing something [Edit: Yep. I sure am.]? Thanks again.
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You can initiate diplomacy and see what the AI Civs have ... it will show how much extra they have, even if zero, but only those resources they have the tech to be aware of. I.e., if you have Fission but the AI Civ does not, it will not be available for trade.
You can also use Ctrl+Shift+M, which will clear the map of cities and improvements and reveal all visible resources. I have discovered, though, that uranium can be difficult to see as it shows as bright green and is hard to see against a jungle background. This gave me some annoyance in my last game, which almost caused me to go to war unnecessarily until I was able to trade for it (and it turned out it didn't matter, as I won a Cultural victory before the Spaceship, though I was well on my way to that).
At the top of the F2 screen, it shows all the resources and luxes you have, on the rightmost panel it shows what excess resources and luxes are available to AI civs you have a trade route with.
While negotiating a deal you can offer up one of each resource or lux you have (can't trade two of the same thing to an AI), and you can ask for the same from the AI but they "will never accept this deal" if you ask for the last of something. Again, you'll need a trade route or else the resources and luxes will be grayed-out and untradable.
While negotiating a deal you can offer up one of each resource or lux you have (can't trade two of the same thing to an AI), and you can ask for the same from the AI but they "will never accept this deal" if you ask for the last of something. Again, you'll need a trade route or else the resources and luxes will be grayed-out and untradable.
My question is, how can you trade a single Resource or Lux? Say I've got one Wine, no extras; it won't show up in the Trade Screen [Edit: This is incorrect. They DO show up
. Sorry my bad.] since there are no extras. While you can trade singles in Civ4--sometimes AIs will ask for your one-of-a kind--I've never known it to happen in 3. Yet in Post #3 CKS says that the human can. Just wondering how he does it [Edit: Note to self: By simply realizing it's there and putting it on the table, you idiot!].
. Sorry my bad.] since there are no extras. While you can trade singles in Civ4--sometimes AIs will ask for your one-of-a kind--I've never known it to happen in 3. Yet in Post #3 CKS says that the human can. Just wondering how he does it [Edit: Note to self: By simply realizing it's there and putting it on the table, you idiot!].
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Truly incredible. Just checked an old save and found I'm flat wrong on this. One-of-a-kind Resources HAVE been showing up on the Trade Screen all these years but since I never trade them I've come to believe--against all evidence--that they don't show up at all. Boy do I feel sheepish. My apologies to the community for wasting their time on this faux pas. (Egad, just wondering now how many other mental erasures I've made over the years.) Anyway thanks for putting up with this foolish old coot. Cheers!
Yeah, I've known that for 15 years or more. But aside from embarrassment over this single-Resource business it is good to know you can trade them. Keep learning something new with this game.
Sometimes your brain plays little tricks like these to you... You can be 100% convinced of something, and in your brain it is "reality", but in fact it is only an "image of reality" and the "objective reality" may be quite different... For this reason, police officers learn to never trust the statements of eye witnesses. You may have seen something red right the moment before or after you have seen the bank robbers escape in their car. Your brain did not persist the color of that car to your permanent memory (because it was busy with something else in that moment), but "you" are not aware of this fact. And when "you" try to access that piece of data at a later time, instead of telling you "sorry, that piece of data is not available", the brain's "auto-correction capabilities" fill in the missing detail from a nearby related "file", i.e. something red that you have seen at that moment and that at that time had been considered "worthy" of being put into the permanent memory.
So you are 100% convinced yourself that you have actually seen the red car -- even though in reality the car was blue!
So you are 100% convinced yourself that you have actually seen the red car -- even though in reality the car was blue!
^^^Which is why there are statutes of limitations in law, and why physical evidence should trump eyewitness accounts in court. Carl Sagan devoted a chapter of his book The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark to confabulations, hallucinations, and other fallacies of the human mind. People are strange, nicht wahr?
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In fact, I know only two persons who are not strange: Mr. Spock and Sherlock Holmes... (But I'm not 100% sure, whether these two are "real"... 
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