Recruiting Provincial Governors

[donsig]

Originally posted by disorganizer
yes it is. Indirectly.
Lets say the pres come to a conclusion with the governor that he wants to have another province.
The governor then resigns. Now the president appoints him for the one he chose.

Its as easy as that

But when the governor resigns his deputy becomes governor of the *old* province.

BTW, will our president be appointing deputies as well?

 

[disorganizer]

Or we may have a poll on that.... *sigh*

Maybe we can persuade fionn to resign his position and let the pres sort it out in a unburocratic way

 

[Shaitan]

More resignations would NOT be in the best interest of Fanatika.

FionnMcCumhall was elected as Governor of Bohemia.

Deputies are appointed by their respective leaders, not the President.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by disorganizer
Or we may have a poll on that.... *sigh*

Maybe we can persuade fionn to resign his position and let the pres sort it out in a unburocratic way

Here's a novel idea: let's have special elections and let the people decide!

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Shaitan
FionnMcCumhall was elected as Governor of Bohemia.

Well, what do you think Bohemia is? Is it Bavaria or is it something other than Bavaria?

*donsig thinks it would have been better today if the server was busy. *

 

[FortyJ]

Originally posted by donsig
*donsig thinks it would have been better today if the server was busy. *

Originally posted by donsig
Well, what do you think Bohemia is? Is it Bavaria or is it something other than Bavaria?

That is the $64 question, isn't it?

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I am extremely disheartened that donsig is leaving the judiciary, however I hope his request to be considered for governorship is strongly considered, as he would be an asset to our nation in that role.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by donsig


Well, what do you think Bohemia is? Is it Bavaria or is it something other than Bavaria?

I think that we have another reason here why the borders should have been defined long ago.

No matter, my opinion is that the answer is easy. In the governors threads, build queues have been submitted and recognized for all cities in Fanatika, therefore I would define Bohemia as containing all cities until such time as the new Provincial Borders take effect.

However, the new border vote will in some manner change the number of cities in the province, and may even result in Bohemia being the capital province. No matter, as Fionn was elected Governor of Bohemia. The people have the right to define provinces anyway they see fit through the laws.

That may be bad news for Fionn, but as Dis points out, he could always look to make some kind of deal with our President to resign and be submitted for a new province.

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Judicial Notice

donsig has request Judical Review of the concept of using appointees to the new Governorship roles versus using an election.

I will post my opinion on this shortly.

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

So the people elect me as governor and then choose to give me the smallest province and a city province to boot. Guess i shouldve campaigned a bit harder for the other proposal.

EDIT: IF i cannot be appointed to a new province then i highky suggest that my deputy take over one of the newly formed provinces, as there really isnt a need for a deputy in the capitol province.

 

[FortyJ]

We definitely have the cart way out in front of the horse in this one.

It seems like such a waste of good material to elect a governor to control build queues in a single city. I can understand it if there are going to be additional cities in that province, but in this case, he/she will only have one city, forever (barring relocation of the capital, in which case he/she will have no province).

If the capitol begins construction of a wonder of the world (likely since the corruption is minimal), it is conceivable that the governor might not have to submit a single set of instructions at all over the course of an entire term! This is not an effective way to employ capable leaders.

We are forced to live with the capitol province, but must we appoint a governor to that province? Certainly it can be managed by the Vice President or by the Domestic Deputy. This responsibility would certainly add clout to those positions and the responsibility would stay with the position, so there is no danger of that individual being promoted to a conflicting leadership position.

 

[BCLG100]

uhm fionndo you actually have a deputy yet?

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

yeah plexus lol

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Chief Justice Opinion

I have posted my opinion regarding the President using appointees to fill vacant governorships. I have found no reason not to support the continued use of appointments.

See this thread for details: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=581761#post581761

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by FortyJ
It seems like such a waste of good material to elect a governor to control build queues in a single city.

Perhaps it is, but the people chose to do it this way in a valid poll. In fact, I believe that the proposal that won was your idea wasn't it FortyJ?

We cannot subvert the laws just because a citizen, no matter how skilled they are, is underutilized. There are other ways to deal with it.

 

[disorganizer]

As said, if Fionn makes a deal to take another province, this would be highly apreciated by me and also seconded.
I would propose him contacting the pres on that issue.

Also, if we dont manage to make a district out of Bavaria and let it be governed for example by the domestic department without them governor there having a senate seat, i will happily volunteer for the position of Governor of Bavaria DC. This will suit the time i have for the forum at the moment

 

[GenMarshall]

I am interested in the Govenor possition . Perferalbly the Southwestern province since it is going to be our new front line. With my Military Experiance, I shall apply them and Help Falcon02's Military Machine in full capacity .

Right now I am a Citizen at the moment .

 

[FortyJ]

Bill In PDX
It was my proposal only in that somebody asked me to come up with a map showing a possible capitol province. I don' t really care which border system we use, but I think it's a waste of talent to stick Fionn in a position where he essentially sits and watches the Heroic Epic get built this term.

Furthermore, I believe that such a "province" should in actuality be labeled a District, and that it should be run by either the VP or Domestic Deputy, and as such, the "governor" should not be granted any senatorial voting rights.

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

Aye, headaches! Can't the people consider this when they decide to disrupt our boundaries!

I am agreed w/fionn that it is a waste for the only elected governer to govern a one city province.

As for the other garbage, have fun deciding on that There appears to be plenty of people ready to argue against anything laid out there.

 

[gonzo_for_civ]

On behalf of the people of Fanatika, I hereby demand that this action be postponed until the end of the current term at which time governers can be elected. The reasons are as follows:

1) The only elected leader would be stuck in a 1 city province by the current rules.

2) No time frame was mentioned in the poll.

3) No time frame for propostions to be enacted is listed in the rules.

Under the current laws of Fanatika, the only reasonable route at this time would be to postpone the break-up of the provinces until the end of the current term.