Redcoat?

[kristopherb]

This is not a tread complaining about the redcoat.
When i first Heard of Civ 4 unique unit sysytem i assumed that the English UU whould be either Longbowmen or Iron sides.
What do you think should be the English UU
Redcoat
Longbowmen
Iron side
other

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

Redcoats were during Englands 'Golden Age'. I don't see why ironclads are unique to england. Longbow aren't, um.., really important enough. It helped conquer the islands, but redcoats conquered the world.

 

[kristopherb]

Redcoats were during Englands 'Golden Age'. I don't see why ironclads are unique to england. Longbow aren't, um.., really important enough. It helped conquer the islands, but redcoats conquered the world.

Iron sides (cromwells cavalry)

 

[Diamondeye]

Never heard of 'em Ironsides, reason enough that it's not them - and sure, the English mastered Longbows, but:
1) Longbows are too powerful already - make a Longbow UU, and it'll either be overkill or not so important that you'll really need it.
2) Redcoats were in the English "golden age"

 

[Empiremaker]

The British civ3 UU was the Man-O-War. I think redcoats are a good UU for England.

 

[Lurking Liu]

The OP is right that any of those could be perfectly valid UUs, but ask any former Colonial, especially us Americans ("The Redcoats are coming!") what the most iconic British unit would be and it's clear. You guys wore those snazzy uniforms for the several hundred years that you had your world-spanning empire.

So, sorry, but that's what you're going to be remembered as =P



I just wish they still had 16 strength still.... *sigh*

 

[Öjevind Lång]

I like the redcoats. I just wish the game designers hadn't nerfed them after the vanilla game.

 

[bonafide11]

I think the Redcoats are the appropriate units for the British (errr English), but I do not find them overly useful anymore.

 

[Permanganate]

How many people use riflemen/redcoats, anyway? I always end up getting Infantry about twelve turns later, so they aren't useful for very long. It seems like the Riflemen, Cuirassiers, and Grenadiers are obsolete as soon as you get them.

Redcoats have been in the game since civ 4 (well, civ 3 actualy);

IIRC the English UU in Civ3 was a ship, based on the Frigate.

and BtS hasn't modified them in anyway.

They're different from vanilla Civ4 though; they now have no more strength than the unit they replace. Together with their +25% vs gunpowder units, they used to be fairly overpowered (reminds me of Civ3 Immortals); now they're just fairly good, depending on circumstances.

 

[Fire.Soul]

I think the Redcoats are the appropriate units for the British (errr English), but I do not find them overly useful anymore.

I think they're an ok UU. Not too powerful, but not weak either. Slightly more powerful than the Rifleman, but doesn't really represent much of an advantage. Lol. I like the uniform though

 

[braindrain]

i don't understand why redcoats are represented as riflemen...weren't they musketmen? if they wanted to go with riflemen, maybe the rangers would have been a better choise...

 

[EdCase]

Redcoats were during Englands 'Golden Age'. I don't see why ironclads are unique to england. Longbow aren't, um.., really important enough. It helped conquer the islands, but redcoats conquered the world.

Though some "creative counting" is now believed to have taken place, reference the 100 years war including the Battle of Agincourt for the reverence the *English have towards the Longbow.

Hell just read Shakespeare's Henry the V.....

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."

[*thats right English..the "Redcoat" is a British Unit]

 

[Evil Twin]

No, it's an English unit. And England owns Britain anyway. That's right, Scots and Welshies! You're mere peons. Vassals! Mahahaha!

 

[EdCase]

No ET it is an English unit in-game, a British unit historically, which is the context I used.

As an aside, I served as a Grenadier Guard, the quintessential Redcoat I guess

( Of course later I defected to the colonies, namely the U.S....but thats another story)

 

[Spearthrower]

I agree that the (Welsh initially) Longbowman could well be used as a British UU..... as could a Ship of the Line.... but the redcoats are pretty iconic and were definitely the UU at the heyday of British expansionism.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

i don't understand why redcoats are represented as riflemen...weren't they musketmen? if they wanted to go with riflemen, maybe the rangers would have been a better choise...

First they were armed the muskets, then, during the 19th century, with rifles.

 

[L4zXX0r]

I think the Redcoats are the appropriate units for the British (errr English), but I do not find them overly useful anymore.

They're really good with Churchill. If you have a few soldier producing cities ready, and you pump them up with feudalism/theocracy, you'll get a unit that comes out kicking with a few drill promotions. Add to that the charasmatic trait, and you'll be able to build units that can handle a lot of different situations.

 

[aronnax]

Ill actually prefer an English Longbow. English achery are the strongest in Europe, second to the Mongol and/or Turks. Plus it is a real English unit. The greatest exmaple of English Achery Sumpremancy was the Battle of Agincourt

 

[bonafide11]

They're really good with Churchill. If you have a few soldier producing cities ready, and you pump them up with feudalism/theocracy, you'll get a unit that comes out kicking with a few drill promotions. Add to that the charasmatic trait, and you'll be able to build units that can handle a lot of different situations.

Well, I agree with you there, they are really good with Churchill, but that has more to do with Churchill's traits than the unit. All gunpowder units are good with Churchill. Permanagate said it best earlier in this thread:

"How many people use riflemen/redcoats, anyway? I always end up getting Infantry about twelve turns later, so they aren't useful for very long. It seems like the Riflemen, Cuirassiers, and Grenadiers are obsolete as soon as you get them."

That's how I feel exactly. I played as Churchill the other day, but the Redcoats barely touched the field because it seemed as soon as I built some I had found Assembly Line. The Redcoats become obsolete so fast that it makes it little difference in the game. While Churchill's Redcoats are effective units, the Infantry replace them pretty soon, and Churchill's Infantry are even more effective. So I agree that Churchill's Redcoats are great, but that's because of his traits and not the UB.

 

[Yzman]

I must tech very differently than most people because I never encounter that branch of units being obsoleted so quick as people say.