Redrawing the Map

[Steph]

I will be looking for someone to govern France

If the French were governable, it would have been known by the time

 

[TheBladeRoden]

Sid had the right idea.

 

[Kan' Sharuminar]

Aww, bloody English are in Scotland again

 

[Mirc]

Sid had the right idea.

In which of the civ versions? Civ3 Conquests has 31 civs...

 

[Yuri2356]

This should suffice quite nicely.

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[TheBladeRoden]

In which of the civ versions? Civ3 Conquests has 31 civs...

The latest version is always the canon one. Those other civs must have deserved to be reverted back to barbarian status in his eyes.

 

[Babbler]

Sid had the right idea.

It's nice, but France will forever be pink to me.

 

[Perfection]

I don't even get a little slice of Pyongyang?

Nope

No problems, I get the good half, you get the southern half.

You hate electricity?

Referring to this post, I honestly laughed out loud at "Taiwan" in the first map

I aim to please!

 

[Tee Kay]

BladeRoden I'll make your map as Warlords scenario as soon as I finish with Perf's one.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

This should suffice quite nicely.

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Change British to Canadian

 

[Dann]

Improved My map of China

List of Changes
-More accurate borders of Uyghurstan and Inner Mongolia.
-Hui Minority given independence centered around the Ningxia Hui autonomous region.
-Gannan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture Given to Tibet
-Hui State given Linxia Hui Autonomous Prefecture Autonomous Prefecture, and land to connect it to the main territory.
-Qinghai distributed more equitably Between Tibet, Uyghurstan and Mongolia to reflect the populations.
-Mongolia given parts of the Gansu Province that have Mongolian population as well as territory to connect these to Mongolian Territory
-Tibet given territory in Sichuan and Yunan provinces
-Hmong State's Borders redrawn.

Well I also have plans in my head for how to ensure the political, economic and demographic base for the countries.

-Reperations from China to the respective countries. With the exemption of Mongolia, who is recieving an economically viable base, movable industries (I.E. Manufacturing) would be taken apart and reassembled within these territories. China would also have to pay cash reperations too. This would provide Tibet with a much stronger economy then it has now.

-Most of these have other states that they would fall into the orbit of. As the map is drawn, Tibet is more likely to become a dependent of India; Uyghurstan into the Central Asian block with Kazahkstan, Turkestan, Pakistan etc.; Mongolia would be in Russia's orbit again. The only states that are an issue are Hmong and Hui states, which are to small and weak, and surrounded by hostile states.

-Demographic reform would be the most laborious process of this. As has been mentioned, the Chinese were moved into their by deliberate government intervention, so its fair to move them back by the same way, much the same as what happened to the Germans. I estimated that you would need to remove 16 million Chinese from Inner Mongolia for resettlement in China. Most Mongols today still live in Inner Mongolia, more then in the actual Mongol state. The population would be boosted by Mongols and Buryats from within Russia. Han Chinese now make up only 6.1% of the population of Tibet, so that point is moot. Xinjiang is still mostly Uyghurs (45% Uyghurs versus 40% Han) with the rest being other Central Asians such as Kazakhs, and Tajiks, but as with Inner Mongolia, population reform would go hand in hand with independence, about 6 million Chinese would need to be resettled. Over All the movement of 22 Million people into China would be entirely feasable.

What has China done to you that you hate it so and wish so badly that it be dismembered?

Anyway IMO what we need the least now is more and more badly managed small nations. What we need is fewer but larger Federations based on the E.U. model. Like this:

 

[Kraznaya]

What has China done to you that you hate it so and wish so badly that it be dismembered?

Anyway IMO what we need the least now is more and more badly managed small nations. What we need is fewer but larger Federations based on the E.U. model. Like this:

This is way too much consolidation, minorities and nationalities with fewer populations would be underrepresented and undercut. Plus, overly large administrative units have shown to be not effective. The EU is not a real countries' border, just a trade and cooperation agreement.

 

[Dann]

Explanation of above map:

N.A.U. = North American Union. A simple matter of creating a new federation with its member states being the 50 former US states and 12 or so former Canadian provinces.

L.A.U. = Latin American Union. Everything south of Mexico. The Brazilian provinces would count as separate political entities during parliamentary elections in order to make things fair.

E.U. = European Union. 'nuff said.

R.F. = Russia + whoever wants to join her.

I.U. = Islamic Union. NOT, repeat, NOT a Caliphate, but a secular union of a series of contiguous nations sharing a common faith and related cultures. If they want a supreme spiritual leader they may have one, but he will merely have just as much political power as the Catholic Pope.

A.U. = African Union. I am guessing that most former national boundaries will be eliminated and new groupings will be put in place. South Africa will dominate this union for some time afterwards.

I.S.U. = Indian Subcontinent Union. (Crappy name I know. Can't think of a better one for now. ) 26 or so Indian provinces, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. And of course plenty of megalopolis cities that simply must count as separate political entities. (Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta, Goa etc.)

F.E.U. = Far East Union. 24 or so Chinese provinces, Japan, Korea, Mongolia, Uyghuristan, Tibet plus a Hui and a Zhuang homeland. And again plenty of megalopolis cities that simply must count as separate political entities. (Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing, Hongkong, Macau, Tokyo, Seoul etc.)

SEA.U. = South East Asian Union. Basically an expanded ASEAN with even more members and more unity than now.

O.U. = Oceanian Union. The 7 or so Australian provinces, New Zealand and the Pacific island nations.

Israel remains on its own (but with slightly bigger territory) because they don't fit in anywhere else and as a nod to the religious right.

 

[Dann]

This is way too much consolidation, minorities and nationalities with fewer populations would be underrepresented and undercut. Plus, overly large administrative units have shown to be not effective. The EU is not a real countries' border, just a trade and cooperation agreement.

You didn't wait for my explanation.

In my hypothetical pipe dream the current larger nations will in fact be subdivided into their component parts for domestic concerns, but formerly small 'nations' (or newly created small ones) will gain the benefits of belonging to a bigger and more powerful entity.

 

[Zarn]

So why would Ukraine join Russia? They hate Russia more than the Americans hate Commies.

 

[Miles Teg]

Man, did you look at that map? Europe has been flirting with Union for centuries, but they've never come anywhere near it.

Where as you lumped Pakistan and India in the same group, the same with Japan and China, or China and Vietnam, or North and South Korea. Yet you leave Israel independent And have you considered the fact that the Canadians cant even keep all their provinces in line?

Lets not go into Iran and Iraq, or the idea you can keep all of Africa in line.

Over-optimistic imagery at is worst.

 

[Mozza]

The Ukraine, and Turkey, while we're at it, would most likely join the EU.

I think, joking aside, the EU will be one country in the true sense within 50-80 years.

 

[pboily]

Man, did you look at that map? Europe has been flirting with Union for centuries, but they've never come anywhere near it.

Where as you lumped Pakistan and India in the same group, the same with Japan and China, or China and Vietnam, or North and South Korea. Yet you leave Israel independent And have you considered the fact that the Canadians cant even keep all their provinces in line?

Lets not go into Iran and Iraq, or the idea you can keep all of Africa in line.

Over-optimistic imagery at is worst.

Dann is one of the only ones who has given it a serious try. Better then the Juvie stuff this thread has been riddled with.

 

[ParkCungHee]

What has China done to you that you hate it so and wish so badly that it be dismembered?

What have the Uyghurs and Tibetens done that you it it so and wish so badly that it be annexed?

 

[Kyriakos]

Just joining Greece and Turkey would already create a viable byzantine empire. Although pretty much anything that has Constantinople and Thessalonike would