Religious shrine question

[DaveCam]

I am in my first game of Civ 4 (bts) and have a question regarding the founding religious city.

I believe that if I use a great prophet to build the shrine in this city then the city will gain income from all other cities with that religion. I have conquered a city which is the founder of 2 religions. Neither of these has spread far and my current civic is free religion.

The question I have is do I need to have a particular religion as state religion in order to gain the shrine income? I don't really need the happiness from the religion in other cities so won't bother spreading it if I won't get the income from the shrine. Also will the city get two lots of income if I were to have a shrine for each religion?

Many thanks

Dave

 

[Hammurbabble]

You do not need it as your state religion to gain the income. You will gain income from both shrines if they're in the same city (but how did THAT happen?)

You say you don't want to spread the religion, but bear in mind you could settle the Prophet for 5 gold/2 hammers per turn, and you get 1 gold per city per turn for a shrine, so spreading the religion might be needed to make the shrine outweigh just settling the Prophet. Unless there are lots of cities with the religion outside your civilization, of course.

 

[oranges]

You'll get the shrine money even when it's not the state religion

 

[DaveCam]

Thanks very much for clearing that up. What I meant by not spreading the religion was that if I needed to have state religion in order to gain the income then it wouldn't be worth building the missionaries as I'm intending to stick with free religion.

Thanks again

 

[Willem]

You will gain income from both shrines if they're in the same city (but how did THAT happen?)

I've had it happen before. It's rare but not impossible.

 

[Supr49er]

... You will gain income from both shrines if they're in the same city (but how did THAT happen?) ...

I've had it happen before. It's rare but not impossible.

Even rarer is to see a Barbarian city found a religion.

 

[DLDante]

I get two (or more) religions in one city in almost every game I play. I tend to try and horde religions and the game seems to favor your smallest and/or furthest city.

 

[Willem]

I get two (or more) religions in one city in almost every game I play. I tend to try and horde religions and the game seems to favor your smallest and/or furthest city.

We're not talking about having more than one religion in a city, that's not uncommon at all, but about having more than one religion being founded in the same city. That's a fairly rare occurence. And according to Blake, the AI programmer, large cities are preferred when founding religions not small ones.

 

[one2tieyourshoe]

And according to Blake, the AI programmer, large cities are preferred when founding religions not small ones.

Weird... in my experience, they always found in the small out of the way backwards cities.

 

[Refar]

This is because - while large cities are prefered - there is also a bias in favor of cities wich fewer religions and in favor of not capital. At the time most religions are founded, most cities but the capital are smallish...

VoU's thread with all the details on religion: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=237869

 

[Willem]

This is because - while large cities are prefered - there is also a bias in favor of cities wich fewer religions and in favor of not capital.

Yes, this is why having two religions being founded in the same city are rare. They generally do not get founded in a city that already has another religion in place, unless there's none available. And being a holy city for another religion reduces the odds even more.

 

[The Snug]

I once had a city found three religions. That was cool.

 

[Willem]

I once had a city found three religions. That was cool.

You should play the lottery more often.

 

[DLDante]

We're not talking about having more than one religion in a city, that's not uncommon at all, but about having more than one religion being founded in the same city. That's a fairly rare occurence. And according to Blake, the AI programmer, large cities are preferred when founding religions not small ones.

That is what I meant, I found two religions in one city in just about every game I play. In my experience it usually pops up in my smallest and/or farthest city from my capital. I've actually never seen it pop up in one of my larger cities, now that I think about it.

 

[Willem]

That is what I meant, I found two religions in one city in just about every game I play. In my experience it usually pops up in my smallest and/or farthest city from my capital. I've actually never seen it pop up in one of my larger cities, now that I think about it.

Well, you should definitely play the lottery more often since the odds of that happening are pretty much against it occuring very often. And I always thought that religions were founded in the worst possible city as well, but according to a post by Blake somewhere awhile ago, they are supposed to prefer larger cities.

 

[AljayBoy]

When I found a religion it it seems to be the last city I built the becomes the Holy city, and generally they are small cities.

 

[Symbol]

Even rarer is to see a Barbarian city found a religion.

Glad to know its not just me going crazy. I couldn't understand why a Barbarian city that I didn't think had been captured from the AI was a religious holy city.

In the very same game where the religion I founded appeared in a holy city already under my control incidentally.

 

[DLDante]

Well, you should definitely play the lottery more often since the odds of that happening are pretty much against it occuring very often. And I always thought that religions were founded in the worst possible city as well, but according to a post by Blake somewhere awhile ago, they are supposed to prefer larger cities.

I've never had any luck with the lottery or the casinos.

Something in the code must be wrong then because I swear it's always in my most backward city. Now that I think more about it, perhaps the reason that I usually get two in the same city is because, quite often, the same city is the most backward city both times around. I like to horde wonders as well so sometimes I neglect building settlers in the race to build wonders (not always smart, I know, but it's how I play). The AI civs usually have twice as many cities as I do.

 

[Inky]

There is a luck factor in getting more than one religion to found in the same city, but the best way to manage it is to found few cities before you get the religions. And while it is a bad strategy for general expansion, founding *no* cities until you score several religions guarantees that they'll all found in the only city, the capital.

It is possible to get all seven religions in the capital, but it can be hard to pull off even on low difficulty. But it isn't that hard to get three or four of them, if you don't mind being stuck on a one-city game for a while, and use great prophets to get religions rather than shrines. It can make for a very effective Wall Street city, rolling in extra money (and even more with BTS corporate headquarters).

Little cities with no religion are favored, but if you spread religion to every city, you may get more lucky with multiple-shrine holy cities. If I'm going the religious route, I try to spread religion for the bonuses everywhere asap.