Religon in Civ3? (NOT A ANTI RELIGON THREAD!)

Perhaps there could be a 'Polytheism' option as well, where you selected different deities that provided different bonuses to your people?
 
Originally posted by rjgo
Why isnt there judaism in there. how could you forget the longest lasting and oldest religeon in which many religeons started from it. well here is what i made for Judaism.
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Isn't Hinduism older? I'm not very sure though. Zoroastrianism is pretty old too.
 
I think religion should be added but it shouldn't use currently active ones like Islam. Generic ones would be easier to do without backlash and also easier to put advantages and disadvantages. Like I said in another post Paganism, Diabloism, Atheism, and other generic ones would work. Even something like Devil worship could trigger letters from people of that faith. Religion was and still is important in the world. It should be like a combo of gov. type and nationality. It's unlikely that it would be added until civ4 but I am definately for it. That ideas file at Apolyton, is that blasphemy :D, had many good ideas for a way of implementing religion.
 
Just bring back the fundamentalist governement, and change the current communist governement to the way it was in civ II.
 
Originally posted by slothman
I think religion should be added but it shouldn't use currently active ones like Islam. Generic ones would be easier to do without backlash and also easier to put advantages and disadvantages. Like I said in another post Paganism, Diabloism, Atheism, and other generic ones would work. Even something like Devil worship could trigger letters from people of that faith. Religion was and still is important in the world. It should be like a combo of gov. type and nationality. It's unlikely that it would be added until civ4 but I am definately for it. That ideas file at Apolyton, is that blasphemy :D, had many good ideas for a way of implementing religion.
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What's diabloism? When diablo becomes a way of life and not just a game? And also, I think it would be hard to implement without specific religions. also having specific religions would be more fun and more realistic.

Monkspider:
Most of those religions are still about now. Are there any that have been killed off or died out that had any big impacts? can't think of any myself right now.

And to whoever said something about the US being christian, I doubt it.

And again, no other civ apart from the Jews really got into Judaism at all.

And again, in implementation, it should be kept very simple. Don't do too much with it, maybe it should only affect culture (ie temples get more happiness in a pagan religion, and cathedrals more in a christian religion).
 
I agree that the religion is one important thing that is missing from Civ.
I think that it would be best, if the religions were generic, instead of the ones we have today.
Pantheism, polytheism, monotheism... what others there are? Well, atheism also, though that's not actually a religion.
How the religion would affect the game then? There's no good way of implementing religion to the Civ we have now: why would fe. a pantheisic religion be more/less warlike than a monotheistic one? Why would religion affect the technological advancement or trading?
Maybe if there was a way of implementing "freedoms" or such things to civ... so that one could decide how "free" the society would be. Different kinds of freedoms would include religious, travelling, thought, etc... and they would affect the speed of population growth, technological advancement, civil disorders, draft rate, war weariness...
 
Perhaps implementing a small wonder would be the solution to avoid alienating people. This way, you don't have Germans defined as "Christian". You could have a "Sage/Savior" or some sort of wonder where the civilization basically produces its own indigineous religion. This would historically be similar to the arising of the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Confucius, Martin Luther, John Smith, or anonymous shaman teachers who put forth the teachings of the Celtic and native American religions. Perhaps this could have some sort of bonus effect on religious structures, making them a bit easier to build? It would sort of be akin to a nation "finding religion".
 
Originally posted by danielhart
Hey, I'm new here too.. just found it odd that you lumped the Muslims and the Satanists together, and the stats you had for Islam mainly focused on war. That doesn't seem right... Aside from the things happening now, Islam has been a pretty peaceful and tolerant religion.
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Perhaps, but they were slaughtering each other for about 800 years before the 20th century. I know the crusades made them a more warmongering lot, but they were fierce warriors to begin with! (The MAMELUKE???)

History shows that ISLAM (Not the Muslim religion) is a lot more warmongering and intolerant. The Quran basically says that all nonbelievers are subject to whatever "sins" the believer chooses to bestow. It's like a get out of jail free card for those who want to commit sin against nonbelievers. It is nor peaceful nor progressive.

What's funny is, in the U.S. we need more religion and less sex and booze. In the middle east they need less religion and more sex and booze.

My humble $0.02
 
We should have a dozen or so to choose from, and be able to customize all of them. (If, in a multiplayer game, everyone is aware of whatever bonuses are offered, etc...)

That having been said, there ARE culture types which serve as a nice, politically-correct way to have separate cultures.

My humble $0.02
 
I don't think that specific religions should ever be used in Civ for many of the reasons already stated. I do like the idea of religion however.
Maybe once mysticism has been researched you can customize your religion with only positive effects.(+1 income or -10% war wariness)
Then when Polytheism and Monotheism are researched you can add more to the several attributes because the religion as gotten more complex and more popular.
You may name your religion, have names for deities, and pick what temples, or cathedrels look like and observe what the other players have chosen.
The effects would be pernament and unchangeable.
This idea would let a civilization become more personal, still let the player be Catholic, Muslim, or Satanic if they want, and let the issue of actual religion stay untouched.
 
Originally posted by Midnight Rider

History shows that ISLAM (Not the Muslim religion) is a lot more warmongering and intolerant. The Quran basically says that all nonbelievers are subject to whatever "sins" the believer chooses to bestow. It's like a get out of jail free card for those who want to commit sin against nonbelievers. It is nor peaceful nor progressive.
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Umm...Islam is the relgion Muslims follow. What are you talking about??? Also Christianity is really tough on non believers. Look at the Spanish Inquisition. Or just look at the Spanish and how they forced all the Americans to convert. The Christians slaughtered the pagans and Jews, and later Muslims, although they were a bit more powerful. Obviously you've never heard of the dark ages. Chrisitianity wasn't progressive until after the Rennaisance. The Emperor of Byzantine called on the Pope to help defeat the non believers, the Turks who were Muslims. Islam was very progressive while Europe was in the Dark Ages. So many things nowdays were invented and discovered my Muslims. Mathematics, Arabic Numerals to name a few.

Could you give me some examples of Islam being intolerant and warlike, excluding modern day, because there I agree that they are a bit worse. I mean Middle Ages.

The Mamalukes were a slave dynasty. They were Turks that were used as slaves by other Turks and Arabs. They were also used as soldiers and many became generals. They rebelled and forged their own dynasty in Egypt. They helped stop the Mongol advancement also. Probably one of the few losses for the Mongols. The Mamalukes weren't barbarians, or any worse than the Crusaders.
 
One more thing:

If Islam is so warlike and intolerant how do you explain the existence of the Hindu relgion and Spain? Why didn't the crazy fundamentalist Muslims go and forcibly convert the Hindus too Islam? The Muslims had been ruling India for over a 1000 years, and never had they been intolerant until Aurengzeb(sp??) who was intolerant.

Same with Spain. They ruled for 800 years, and they let the Jews be Jews, and the Christians be Christians. They built so many libaries and universities. Spain was more advanced under the Muslims then after. The Christians on the other hand, once regained control of Spain, led their Inquisition through and killed so many non-Chatholics.

I wouldn't Christianity to be warlike/intolerant than Islam, but then I won't say Islam being more warlike/intolerant than Christianity.
 
I like the idea of religion but not how it was applied. It should not affect war weariness and stuff. It should have specific improvements and happiness or sometinhg like that. What about freedom of religion as opposed to one religion only.
 
The one problem as many have pointed out in creating religions with set parameters is what period and what description of a religion are you going to use (or even what sect). Christianity could be either a very peaceful religion or a very warlike one.

Instead I think it would be better to allow you to set the various properties of your religion (a la SMAC design). That way you could say how warlike you religion is, do you believe in helping all or should non-believers be slaughtered. As you advance through the tech tree the various options would become available. Changing "focus" of your religion should have a downside, dependent on the severity of the shift. And the "focus" of your religion should affect how others view you and other factors.

One possibility would be if you set your civ's religion to be very intolerant and to chear the killing of non-believers it would give you an attack bonus. But at the same time, you are prevented from having any slaves and any cities you capture are instantly burned to the ground and the civilians killed (not kept as slaves).
 
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Originally posted by Midnight Rider

History shows that ISLAM (Not the Muslim religion) is a lot more warmongering and intolerant. The Quran basically says that all nonbelievers are subject to whatever "sins" the believer chooses to bestow. It's like a get out of jail free card for those who want to commit sin against nonbelievers. It is nor peaceful nor progressive.
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I'd just like to say that the Qur'an definitely doesn't say that.. I'm not sure where you got that. It DOES, however, say to treat other people fairly, no matter what religion they practice. It states several times that people belonging to other religions than Islam CAN enter paradise, if they do good and truly believe in God. Speaking of "God", he made several good points. Also, I'd just like to point out that Muslims NEVER forcibly convert anyone, as opposed to people who participated in the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisitiom (just to name a few).
 
being "free from religion"
this is MY view on the religions...

Christian : believe in brotherhood.
Islamic : believe in brotherhood, politic in religious.
Buddhism : this is NOT a religion (pls don't pray!) but an idealogy for equality and order.
Satanic : not many practice this, surely not entire nation!
Judaism : believe in the single G.
Hinduism : prayers of many unique G.
Taoism : prayers of many unique G.
Mythology : the myth? may makes people freaking.
Paganism : prayers to the world? G is nature.
Atheism : G, it may not exist.

:confused:

Zoroastrians : crazy people who think Zouave is the wisest :lol:

it is not the religion that set the aggressiveness.
the people DO NOT LIKE WAR just because they are muslim or christian.
people are their own man/woman with their own believe and ideas.

religion is offer being misused in such way
and are blamed for the action of man/woman!
(like OBL etc)

Therefore this thread is pointless!
 
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