Removing unwanted noise from the air?

[warpus]

Here's what my sound dude friend says:

best chance at noise reduction/absorption in an 'open air' bar is sound absorption panelling, but it can be done as broken sections of walls staggered around the property so it's not right up against the bar, and still gives you a chance at seeing scenery. Noise Cancellation (electronically) won't work because it cannot anticipate/account for reflected sound (which is why there are noise cancelling headphones but not speakers)

 

[CavLancer]

Here's what my sound dude friend says:

Thanks Warpus. That could help. I have a privacy fence with offset boards that could be adjusted and added to. The "broken sections of walls staggered around the property" sounds like a great idea if the bar wasn't 3 stories up and close to the road. I wonder what I could attach to the privacy fence that could take sun and rain and absorb sound, and not look too bad? I'll have to give that some thought. I could search "sound absorbing panels, see how they're made and try to manufacture something like.

Perfection, yes I can see that now that you explained it that way. :b:

 

[warpus]

I bet the fact that you're on the water also adds to the noise factor. Water carries sound very well, I think.

 

[Masada]

Steel louvers can keep the airflow while cutting down on some of the sound coming from the road.

 

[CavLancer]

Nice ocean wave sounds come from the ocean pretty much Warpus. What used to be called white noise, its nice.

That might work Masada, but would likely be prohibitively expensive.

 

[Narz]

I have a loud air-purifier/fan. It doesn't block out sirens but at full blast it blocks out most other noises. I also have noise-blocking earmuffs. Probably combining these with earplugs would be most effective.

I'm pretty sensitive to noise-pollution. I absolutely hate sirens & my roommate has a chronic cough that sometimes annoys me when he's in the kitchen/living area as I'm falling asleep in my room (my door is open at the top so noise gets in easily).

 

[Perfection]

I bet the fact that you're on the water also adds to the noise factor. Water carries sound very well, I think.

Water reflects sound in the similar way to a cement floor. Sound does not easily transfer between air and water because of the large difference in densities.

 

[CavLancer]

I have a loud air-purifier/fan. It doesn't block out sirens but at full blast it blocks out most other noises. I also have noise-blocking earmuffs. Probably combining these with earplugs would be most effective.

I'm pretty sensitive to noise-pollution. I absolutely hate sirens & my roommate has a chronic cough that sometimes annoys me when he's in the kitchen/living area as I'm falling asleep in my room (my door is open at the top so noise gets in easily).

I doubt its current tech Narz but long ago something like a fan would be considered a white noise generator. You could try this on your comp speakers, its white noise with variations from rain and thunder which would further reduce random noises. 10 hours of the stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyUwg2fBg3k

 

[Cutlass]

I was thinking, if along the open side towards the street you could maybe try playing a bunch of 2 foot wide 8 tall panels at an angle with several feet between them. Made up of some sound absorbing material and then place sound absorbing panels on the interior walls of your space. It wouldn't end the noise, but you might mitigate it somewhat.

 

[CavLancer]

Those sound like really good ideas Cutlass. I'll do something like that or try to once the business is open and known in the community. Right now I'm built right on my lot line and anything I stick out is kinda...might need a variance. Once I serve the mayor a free pizza or two I'll apply for one, see how it goes.

 

[Silurian]

You could also consider perspex panels along the top of the perimeter wall. They will reflect the sound and you can see the view. Maybe 600mm high so if people are sitting they are behind it.

 

[CavLancer]

Great idea. Only one problem, the perimeter wall in that location is the wall of the building. Really, I've boxed myself into a corner on this.

 

[Cutlass]

Can you diagram out or photo the area you're trying to work with?

 

[CavLancer]

Well, its the bar, third floor, no walls but privacy fences except to the bathroom to the left. My wife had over the gals from our 10 bed college girls dorm.



To can see the privacy fence behind and to the left in this loaction. The road is directly behind and Masada's brother in law rides his motorcycle back and forth right in the middle of conversations.

On the right is a bathroom which blocks sound and beyond that is a stairwell which does the same.

 

[CavLancer]

On the left side is the 3rd floor bridge to the other building.



The outside of the building and the road with the 3rd story privacy fence. There's another building now but this part hasn't changed much. You can see the stairwell column on the left road face, the bathroom/water column next to it going up, and then the real problem, the privacy fence. The far side privacy fence is protected somewhat by being partially ocean facing.



Down the open ocean facing side. You can see the privacy fence starts again on the far side and runs to the stairwell.

 

[CavLancer]

A better shot of the facing of the bathroom, stairwell, far fence and an amigo bellied up to the bar...



A better shot of the fence behind the bar... There's a hinged window/gate in the fence so the bartender can look whose at the gate below.



Abby in front of the pink mirror which has been banished to the 4th. Once we built the other building we replaced the privacy fence to her left with the 1/1s shown in the previous post, last pic.

 

[Cutlass]

I don't know. It looks like you just don't have a lot of room to place anything to the outside.

Something like this on interior walls and ceilings might mitigate it somewhat.

 

[Masada]

The road is directly behind and Masada's brother in law rides his motorcycle back and forth right in the middle of conversations.

Don't feel special. He does this to his own family!

That might work Masada, but would likely be prohibitively expensive.

Maybe layered bamboo slats? You can get them in a range of styles. I've had these myself.

 

[CavLancer]

I don't know. It looks like you just don't have a lot of room to place anything to the outside.

Something like this on interior walls and ceilings might mitigate it somewhat.

Could study it a bit and build some privacy fence board sized panels and attach them to the outside of the outside slats and inside of the inside slats. I think I could push out a few inches without complaint.

:b: :b:

 

[CavLancer]

Don't feel special. He does this to his own family!


Maybe layered bamboo slats? You can get them in a range of styles. I've had these myself.

Don't know if bamboo blocks sound much. Pretty cool looking though. Like the hinges...