Returning Civilizations

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For Civilization VII, what are your five favourite civ+leader combinations which you would love to see come back?

My choice:
1. Mali + Mansa Musa. I mean, if Mali comes back there's nobody I'd love more than the richest man ever to lead them!
2. Macedon + Alexander. It's Alexander, so it's Great. The first ever Civ6 civ I played, and I immediately fell in love with him.
3. India + Gandhi. Such a staple for the game. I say let it be a crime to exclude him from future iterations!
4. Maori + Kupe. Not done with him yet! Was debating between him and Genghis, but as much as I adore the latter, having another Khan as Mongol leader would be interesting. I don't know, I'm going back n' forth.
5. Scythia + Tomyris. Great leader, loved exploring this wonderful civ.
 
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Victoria and Teddy are such a cool personalities that I would like to see them instead of the usual Elizabeth or Lincoln.

Many people dont like Cleopatra leading Egypt but she really is one of the most menorable leaders in the series.
 
Many people dont like Cleopatra leading Egypt but she really is one of the most menorable leaders in the series.

I agree this version of Cleopatra was indeed very memorable and expressive, but there's no guarantee future iterations will capture that, and then we'd be left with a questionable leader without any positives.
 
Get this "Macedon" stuff outta my face. Greece, dammit.

Mali's cool.

Would like to see Indonesia come with Gajah Madah or Hayam Wuruk.

America with Teddy is an interesting combo. Oddly difficult to find good presidents that have interesting agendas in a game focused on foreign rather than domestic policy. Rather hedges certain classics like Lincoln out.
 
Definitely was happy with this Mansa Musa which was a strong leader in Civ4 (mainly due to how OP financial was in that game). He's a good choice for a Subsaharan Civ and leader.

I'm conflicted about Gandhi as a leader for Civ7. While there's so much history with this leader in civ games, it feels wrong to exclude him, but he never was even close to leading the country. I just hope they get over the nuke agenda, that joke has run it's course. I'm glad they went with 2 leaders for India this iteration, it helps satisfy some of the criticism for Gandhi.

As for an American President, I'm not sure they would ever go with Washington (and most certainly not Jefferson who is even more controversial) since both were slave owners. Like it or not, this game has become more P.C. This thread isn't the place to argue that, so I won't go into it. I think it's why they went with Teddy, Lincoln being the other "good" choice, but has been in the game too many times. If you go too modern you run into partisanship issues, but if you go too far in the past, you run into issues with their colorful ideas. Someone like Wilson for example, was horribly racist. Teddy was a safe choice. I would be okay with seeing him in Civ7.

I would like to see a return of Napolean for France. Catherine was decent, I liked the spy focus, but I feel like France needs a better leader.
 
America with Teddy is an interesting combo. Oddly difficult to find good presidents that have interesting agendas in a game focused on foreign rather than domestic policy. Rather hedges certain classics like Lincoln out.

As for an American President, I'm not sure they would ever go with Washington (and most certainly not Jefferson who is even more controversial) since both were slave owners. Like it or not, this game has become more P.C. This thread isn't the place to argue that, so I won't go into it. I think it's why they went with Teddy, Lincoln being the other "good" choice, but has been in the game too many times. If you go too modern you run into partisanship issues, but if you go too far in the past, you run into issues with their colorful ideas. Someone like Wilson for example, was horribly racist. Teddy was a safe choice. I would be okay with seeing him in Civ7.

FDR?
 
Mali is the large a. american with the annoying chuckle? Not a fan.

Dido
 
FDR is basically John Curtin: get attacked, gain huge productions.

I like Seondeok, she treats people like parasites #oscarjokes #bestpicture #koreanfilm
The levels of that last paragraph... get this man a Shield #trophy.

Also, yeah. Seondeok is awesome. Even when the A.I. has her. Especially when the A.I. has her. I love the sinking feeling in your stomach when you meet her for the first time and you just know she's several eras ahead of you
 
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As for an American President, I'm not sure they would ever go with Washington
Washington is so central to the American identity I think Teddy was an attempt to pick anyone but washington - and he synergized well with the National park thing.
I think his semi mythological status keeps him safe from any slave owning concerns, unlike TJ. Personally I would really love to see a gilded age USA that just had the industrialization/railroads/trade routes/manifest destiny thing going on. You could shoehorn in McKinley for that.

Personally to the OP I think Gilgabro should keep coming back. You can do a lot with a demigod.
I also hope this cycle of "lets have 50/50 gender representation" will free up some room for certain male leaders to make a return to the series - like Ramses, Justinian, and Napoleon. Just because I think the current evolution of leader designs mean they could take any of those 3 in myriad directions and end up with something really cool. Genghis I also feel is a bit irreplaceable for the mongols.

Montezuma should be in every game as the Aztecs are unique and his persona is perfect. Sacrificing your neighbors is the price we pay for having a Sun.
 
Montezuma should be in every game as the Aztecs are unique and his persona is perfect. Sacrificing your neighbors is the price we pay for having a Sun.

I would argue that there are other choices for a badass Aztec leader, Auizotl was the more ruthless of the emperors, after his predecesor Tizoc pretty much failed at every military campaign he set to he "misteriously died" and Ahuizotl had the task of restoring Aztec prestige amongst vassals and rival states that were already mutinous, he's the emperor that really made sacrificing captives a political statement, going on an inagural military campaign kicking everybody's asses and then inviting their embassadors to the reinaguration of the Huey Teocalli...

-"Oh Mr Embassador so glad to have you here, now that you are here to discuss peace you can see our new temple, oh that on top? those are your best warriors remember them?, just keep watching..."

*smack*

-"Now about that tribute you owe us..."
 
I would like to see again (almost always or always for some): Alexander, Catherine de Medici (I love how she looks like Cersei Lannister, obviously France can have more leaders besides her), Eleanor of Aquitaine (quite interersting historical character, I want to see her more times), Genghis Khan, Mansa Musa, Pedro II (should be the leader everytime Brazil is included), Qin Shi Huang (actually, I like him a lot, China can have others alt leaders), Tamar (the meme needs to live for a long time :p. Jokes aside, I really think that she is a very interesting leader just like her civ, I just think that Georgia should have a better design gameplay in future games).
 
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Gandhi, Alexander, Montezuma, Shaka, and Genghis Khan are all pretty much staples at this point, but I personally would not be offended by their removal. I am actually quite partial to Chandragupta as an "Indian" leader, and am also glad to see a different sort of Greece under Perikles / Gorgo (though I am aware the inclusion of Macedon is a tad controversial).

My most wanted leaders to return:

Chandragupta
I far prefer Chandragupta as a leader to Gandhi, not really due to anything but personal preference. I do, however, think Chandragupta is an important historical figure and represents an era of Indian history that is very much underrepresented in media as a whole, whereas someone like Gandhi is much more well-known but fails to add as much flavour/diversity to the game. Not everyone is a fan of the "India" label for Chandragupta, which is understandable for a number of reasons, but I still would like to see his return in Civ VII and even beyond. To that end, I would be fine seeing him as either leader of India or as leader of Maurya or something of the sort in the future. Dividing India could pave way for other interesting groups like the Mughals, too.

Gilgamesh
If it's not clear, I do have some controversial or otherwise unpopular opinions about this subject. Anyway, I think Sumer as a civilization is a great inclusion, as they are one of the first, if not the first, of civilisations of human history. There are a decent number of leaders from Sumer that have good historicity, some of which have better than Gilgamesh himself, but in terms of this series I think Gilgamesh + Sumer would make a really good perennial inclusion, and I would be interested in seeing in every rendition of the main series into the near future. It could be that that arrangement replaces Babylon as a permanent fixture, which I would not particularly mind either. He could even come to serve as a sort of figurehead for the series into the immediate future, in a similar way as to how Gandhi sort of does now. Gilgamesh has a really great character in the Civ series so far, especially in Civ VI, and I certainly would be happy to see him back in the future (perhaps with some more historical UAs).

Musa I
I know very little about Malian culture or history, but I think Musa is just too cool a historical figure to exclude in the future. His Hajj and abundance of wealth were events that made a genuine impact on the Muslim world as a whole, which just speaks to his importance, and also lends itself to a very neat UA. The execution of Musa and Mali in Civ VI is especially quite good, IMO, and the playstyle that is unique to him should frankly become a staple. I also very much like his personality and overall portrayal in Civ VI, and would be interested in seeing similar sorts of things in future games.

Suleiman I
I am an unabashed fan of this man, and of course want to see his return. Plus, I think they did our boy a little dirty in Civ VI (Turkey, especially under Suleiman, was not just a country of avid conquerors, even if they were quite good at conquest!) and would like to see another try in the future that more wholly represents the cultural, economic, and legislative side of Suleiman's rule as well as the militarism. There is a lot that Suleiman offers in terms of unique gameplay ideas that I think could be really interesting to see in future installments, and I am not willing to give up on that idea quite yet.

Shaka

I think he should stay, only because I think the Zulu are a cool inclusion (and a fixture at this point) and there really aren't any other important leaders of the Zulu nation who made big strokes in world history. But if there are, please correct me. I furthermore think his personality is rather fun and just kinda like his previous portrayals. Maybe I've just grown attached.
 
Assuming this question is about our preferences for returning civ+leader combos from only Civ 6 instead of the earlier games, here are my top 5 choices:

Chandragupta - India
Gandhi does deserve credit for what he did to unify and gain the independence of India. However, he'd probably make a better great person and his memetic return in every single game has gotten much more tiring than any other face in the Civ series (at least in my opinion). Not only did Chandragupta unify most of India, he also ruled it for quite a while and there's no doubt that he could make better use of nukes! I'd be happy to see him return more often in Gandhi's place.

Shaka - Zulu
Cetshwayo could be an alright leader but Shaka easily deserves to keep returning. His tactics and changes could've turned the Zulu kingdom into quite the empire if the British weren't so close.

Theodore Roosevelt - America
You could have a different returning leader like Washington (his owning of slaves almost certainly wouldn't stop him from returning considering the time he was from) or Lincoln and I wouldn't mind seeing a new face like John Adams who would be a fun diplomatic choice. However, there's so much you could do with Teddy such as focusing on national parks, trust-busting, speaking softly while carrying a big stick, etc. I'm also a bit biased that he's my favorite president!

Musa I - Mali
Sundiata would be alright but there's no beating the guy who destroyed the value of gold in Egypt for a decade out of generosity! Make the richest man who ever lived a returning leader!

Gitarja - Indonesia
Even with other leaders like her son being possible, I'd like to see her return again since there's so much more you could do with her. I for one think she easily could've had Gajah Mada as a unique governor.


Other ones I'd like to have return even if I'd be happy with other leaders for some except for Hungary:

Matthias Corvinus - Hungary
Lautaro - Mapuche
Seondeok - Korea
Genghis Khan - Mongolia
Dido - Phoenicia
Alexander - Macedon

I'd be open to other choices but I'd like to see Cyrus and Montezuma return even if only so they can do a better job with Cyrus' personality and Montezuma's appearance.
 
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