RFC: BtS Bug Reports

[blizzrd]

Fairly sure it is a bug rather than something I am just misunderstanding, but the first UHV goal in my Germany game didn't trigger properly. Note: I am using version 3.15

I controlled all of Greece, Rome (and the rest of Italy), and France in 1870 as required.
Notably, I only owned two of the four cities in France, as the other two were owned by Vichy France (my vassal, obviously). Also, it was a 600 AD game, so Rome and Greece never specifically existed as nations, but I still controlled the area.

Just in case it helps you diagnose the problem, I have attached a save file from shortly before the 1870 cut-off.

Actually, it's a misunderstanding in this case. If you are asked to control an area for the UHV (not just Germany, but also others), don't capitulate the civ which spawns in the particular area.

For control, you must own more cities than the "native" civ (in this case France) does within the area indicated in the RFC atlas. As you failed to own more cities than the native civ, (two German cities and France owns two cities), you failed the UHV criterion.

The fact that France is your vassal has no effect on the UHV criterion.

 

[PiMan]

Fine, that's not a bug, that's a poor design choice. I still think it needs fixing. France is under my control, and a brief glance at the saved game would support that assertion, but the code doesn't agree.

Just as vassals count towards domination and conquest victories, they should count towards controlling historical areas.

 

[blizzrd]

Just as vassals count towards domination and conquest victories, they should count towards controlling historical areas.

Specifically though, land area of vassals doesn't count in the case of the Persian UHV 'domination' criterion.

 

[Walliard]

And it's clearly a conscious decision on Rhye's part since Arabia does have the option of taking vassals for its UHV.

 

[Wessel V1]

Yes, but the Emirate of Cordoba, and later more territories in North Africa can be seen as vassals, or daughter states; Germany tried to occupy the areas for itself.

 

[PiMan]

Yes, but the Emirate of Cordoba, and later more territories in North Africa can be seen as vassals, or daughter states; Germany tried to occupy the areas for itself.

I see the modern equivalent of vassal nations to be puppet states. Vichy France was one such puppet.

 

[kairob]

Yes but most of France was under direct Germen control, Vichy France was only a small area in southern France, (the in game equivalent would be owning Paris, Rennes/Brest and Bordeaux and vassalasing France who own only Marseilles) plus the Germans started to occupy even that portion after 1942...

 

[JujuLautre]

Vichy France was only a small area in southern France

Small? Well, half of the country still

 

[blizzrd]

Small? Well, half of the country still

Not quite half, but not that small an area either.

 

[kairob]

My point was that when you translate that 'in game' Germany occupies 3 out of 4 French cities, i.e. enough to count for the UHV.

 

[PiMan]

I controlled the vast majority of France in terms of territory in my game. My French vassal probably owned less territory than Vichy France (as shown in the picture above). But because I gifted a city back to France shortly after capitulating them (to avoid their collapse), I didn't get the victory.

 

[blizzrd]

It does not matter how much territory is held, just the number of cities.

 

[PiMan]

I know, but it shows that such a simple metric, especially when they are also my vassal, doesn't make sense.

 

[Panopticon]

"Cities held" makes just as much sense as "cultural control", if not more.

 

[Power_of_Beer]

I found out about the bug with the workers not appearing. It happens when the auto-played turns go to -1. Does this happen to any of you?

 

[Rhye]

the problem is WHY does it go to -1 sometimes. It's been 3 years and still haven't found the reason

 

[civ_king]

I found out about the bug with the workers not appearing. It happens when the auto-played turns go to -1. Does this happen to any of you?

my Roman game went to -1 and I still got my workers, I believe that you have to settle within 2 turns of spawning, and it going to -1 means you have to settle on that turn (I settled Roma and got the workrs after I hit enter)

 

[PiMan]

Another bug: In this same German game mentioned earlier, Rom declared independence. The thing is, they declared independence as a independent single city.

Somewhat notably, a few turns after I took it back, Rome declared independence, but as the nation of Rome and they took one of my other cities with them. Obviously, this is completely normal when my stability was as low as it was, but the first event isn't normal.

 

[kairob]

Why isn't the first event normal?

 

[Zagoroth]

PiMan single cities can declare their independence as... independents or a group of cities can reform into their old civilization. This happens all the time.