RFC Europe -Art and Flags Thread

[The Capo]

I don't know if you guys needed 3D LHs or not but I made two European Module packs that have a bunch of new LHs in them. Those packs are unavailable now because they were on FileFront and that closed down, but the LHs are still available here at CFC. If you click on the Leaderhead Gallery link in my signature you will find the LHs I am speaking of.

 

[sedna17]

Thanks for the link and suggestion. Some of your leader-heads would be exactly right for our mod.

I know our default assumption has been that we will do 3D leader-heads, but maybe we should have a discussion of their pros and cons:

Pros:

1. 3D leader-heads are snazzy and can enliven diplomacy
2. There are a lot of user-created leader-heads out there, many appropriate for us
3. Consistent appearance/feel with built-in heads

Cons:

1. Leader-heads are generally big files (~5 MB) which will add substantially to the download size of our mod
2. Not all user-created leader-heads are the best, and the only real way to test them is in game (i.e. more work for me or someone else)
3. We will be probably be limited to picking (or re-purposing) a small number of leaders for each civ throughout the course of the game. Although this is probably what we want to do anyway.

The alternative, of course, is to use nice 2D pictures (for some or all leaders). This would work okay for later in our period (plenty of paintings of these leaders), but might be challenging to find for early leaders.

 

[JediClemente]

There can be an intermediate solution. 3D leaderheads for some civs and 2D for others.

With all due respect, I don't think a 3D king of Bulgaria, Venice and Genoa is mandatory. But 2 for Spain is OK for me.

 

[The Capo]

I also have flags for fourteen European countries in my Europe module packs. If they are still available that is. You might want to check them out. It also has custom units for each civ (or flavored units rather) and a bunch of UUs you might want to use as well. I'd suggest checking it out ASAP.

 

[Michael Vick]

2 for Spain, definitely. Phillip II is a must. IF you've got the time there's Ferdinand and Charles IV, too.
I fell like England needs more than one. King Richard, Henry VIII.
I also think the Papal States should switch popes whenever historically accurate. They dont need 3D though.

BTW I'm new to this RFC Europe concept. I wanna help though. How's the overall progress and when will this be completed?

What do I do if I want to try running a test game? Where would I download that?

Let's go, peeps! Lets get this done!

 

[merijn_v1]

You can find RFCE on the 2nd post of the RFCE-files thread.

 

[Cethegus]

I fell like England needs more than one. King Richard, Henry VIII.

There was one leaderhead for the Crusader King using Pericles' animations, but it was lost after the database hacking incident. No chance that someone here would have happened to save it beforehand?

 

[jessiecat]

As I suggested in the Discussion thread, there are a number of possible leaderheads we can use in the downloads database. Here a few that I like.
1. Gustav of Sweden -much better than we've got
2. Could be used for Simeon of Bulgaria
3. Could be used for Hungary
4. Could also be used for Hungary or Poland
5. Harald Hardrada instead of Ragnar?
6. Charles V of Burgundy?

 

[Michael Vick]

Empire: Total War could provide for some nice, flavored Muslim units.
Also, check this thread. It's for Colonization, he's got really nice art for the Spanish Conquistador units, they could replace the sad art we have for the Tercio. In fact, this "deliverator" guy has unique art for just about every musket unit in colonization. Also, he's currently making really snazzy new art for the ships. Take a look at the Spanish Carabela and the galleon he's working on.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=316396
Most of it is about the natives, but look at all four pages.

 

[jessiecat]

Empire: Total War could provide for some nice, flavored Muslim units.
Also, check this thread. It's for Colonization, he's got really nice art for the Spanish Conquistador units, they could replace the sad art we have for the Tercio. In fact, this "deliverator" guy has unique art for just about every musket unit in colonization. Also, he's currently making really snazzy new art for the ships. Take a look at the Spanish Carabela and the galleon he's working on.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=316396
Most of it is about the natives, but look at all four pages.

Check out the Military Redesign Thread (post 58) where I've downloaded some Muslim units from the downloads database. They're for BTS and ready to code in. The figures for the knight and foot knight (plumed helmets) are really nice, I think. I like the Conquistador units too. They're already in the downloads database as well. Do you like the new leaderheads I found? 3Miro has included some of them already in the alpha2 version. I'll see if I can find some more today.
EDIT I do agree about the eyeshadow on Gustav and Yaroslav.Its a bit kinky.

 

[jessiecat]

Thanks for using some of the leaderheads I found. As you say, that leaves about 3-4 to find. Of these.
1. Here's one for Stephen of Hungary.(see below)
2. I'm OK with what we've got for Cordoba if somebody can change the background to something like La Mezquita.
3. Genoa - can't find anything for Genoa except a Roman figure. The one below might look better than the Roman figure we've got for Simone Boccanegra.
4. Austria is hard. I guess we're stuck with Washington for now.

 

[3Miro]

The Hungarian one doesn't work. I have tried it already. I found a Maria Theresa for Austria, now she did rule during the time of our mod, just more towards the end of it. I was wondering if you would think she is appropriate.

 

[jessiecat]

The Hungarian one doesn't work. I have tried it already. I found a Maria Theresa for Austria, now she did rule during the time of our mod, just more towards the end of it. I was wondering if you would think she is appropriate.

I didn't realize you tried that already. I think Maria Theresa is a bit late. What do you think of the Antony figure for Genoa, esp. if you could change backgrounds? And for Cordoba too?

 

[3Miro]

I didn't realize you tried that already. I think Maria Theresa is a bit late. What do you think of the Antony figure for Genoa, esp. if you could change backgrounds? And for Cordoba too?

OK I at least got the Hungarian leaderhead.

To be honest with you, I don't know enough about Simone Boccanegra to figure out an appropriate image. I can only find a picture of a statue, but according to the wiki, people are not sure if that is truly him or not. I also know little about his personality. I will follow your judgment.

Maria Theresa is little late and Washington (with that wig) does look like someone form Mozart's time (which is perhaps also a bit late). We will keep him for now.

I have not quite figure out how to edit the leaderheads.

 

[Michael Vick]

Speaking of backgrounds, on the select civilization screen there's a problem with one of the leaderheads that uses Brennus. I think it's Casimir. On the right of the civ description there's usually a picture taken of the leaderhead while he is in a pose. The one for Casimir shows only the background.

Are we going to have more than one leaderhead for some civs? Like that switch off in certain years like in base RFC?

 

[3Miro]

Speaking of backgrounds, on the select civilization screen there's a problem with one of the leaderheads that uses Brennus. I think it's Casimir. On the right of the civ description there's usually a picture taken of the leaderhead while he is in a pose. The one for Casimir shows only the background.

Are we going to have more than one leaderhead for some civs? Like that switch off in certain years like in base RFC?

We will probably stick to 1 per civ. Switching is not too hard (we have Rhye's code), however, we have a hard time coming up with even one head per civ. Besides, the size of the mod is already getting out of hand. In a zipped form it is >120MB and it will probably grow more if we add more unit graphics. I for one vote for more unit graphics than for more leaders.

I will look at Casimir. It might be an XML issue.

 

[jessiecat]

We will probably stick to 1 per civ. Switching is not too hard (we have Rhye's code), however, we have a hard time coming up with even one head per civ. Besides, the size of the mod is already getting out of hand. In a zipped form it is >120MB and it will probably grow more if we add more unit graphics. I for one vote for more unit graphics than for more leaders.

I will look at Casimir. It might be an XML issue.

I agree that we should stick to one per civ for now, but there's another possibility that's been discussed before. Some civs would lend themselves very well to a change of leaderhead by era or triggered by achieving some historical goal.
One example is Russia. I prefer Ivan IV (the Terrible) of Moscow as the first leaderhead. (posted below). Later, ie. the Late Middle Ages (or 1600?) or if Kiev is eliminated, it could change to Peter the Great of Russia.
Similiarly, England could start with William I and later change to Elizabeth I of Britain when England controls Wales and Scotland. France would start with Francis I then change to Louis XIV when France reaches its historical borders. Spain could start with Alfonso VI and change to Isabella. etc. etc. This could also be triggered by achieving a UHV.
Just a rough idea for later (beta stage?) and it wouldn't apply to all civs. What do you think?

 

[3Miro]

we can find leaderheads for some civs, however, we still have the issue with the size of the mod. If it gets beyond 200MB, I will not be able to upload it in rapidshare (the last batch of LH increased the size with almost 40MB, now we are at ~120MB).

 

[rob-art1985]

I suppose Franz Joseph or Maria Theresa for Austria :=)

http://rapidshare.com/files/253770496/possibly_Austria.rar.html

 

[rob-art1985]

edit: ups, posted it twice :-$

but to say anything reasonable: I prefer Franz!