RFC Europe: Extending/Fixing City Name Maps

[sedna17]

So, so far I've only included Jessiecat's updated Russian map in the under-development version. Do I understand correctly that I'm waiting for micbic and onedreamer to make sure that new versions of the Italy, Hungary, and Germany maps are properly synced up?

And a reminder again, you MUST post World Builder Saves. With the latest versions of the mod you now all have my fix to the World Builder export function automatically and so you hopefully shouldn't have any of the old problems saving files this way.

The trouble with saved game files is that they are (sometimes) specific to a particular version. Since we have so many versions I can't possibly figure out which version each person was using on the date they saved and posted each file (even if I did keep all the test versions saved on my computer, which I don't).

 

[micbic]

So, so far I've only included Jessiecat's updated Russian map in the under-development version. Do I understand correctly that I'm waiting for micbic and onedreamer to make sure that new versions of the Italy, Hungary, and Germany maps are properly synced up?

And a reminder again, you MUST post World Builder Saves. With the latest versions of the mod you now all have my fix to the World Builder export function automatically and so you hopefully shouldn't have any of the old problems saving files this way.

The trouble with saved game files is that they are (sometimes) specific to a particular version. Since we have so many versions I can't possibly figure out which version each person was using on the date they saved and posted each file (even if I did keep all the test versions saved on my computer, which I don't).

The German and AFAIK onedreamer's Italian are ready. I am currently fixing-synchronizing the Hungarian map, expect finish shortly.

EDIT: Do not open the Hungarian file-it is the same as German. I now have to work from an older version-to-post-tomorrow

 

[jessiecat]

The one CityName map not done at all yet is the Dutch one. A small job maybe but best left to a Dutch-speaker for authenticity I think.

 

[Verily]

Here's an attempt at the Dutch map. I don't know how it matches up with the neighbors, though. Also, for the map, it might be a good idea to move the Dyes south a tile so Amsterdam has an appropriate, resource-free tile. It's unfortunate that the map doesn't really allow for Antwerp to have sea access, but oh well.

(Cales is Calais, Rijsel is Lille, Namen is Namur, Charnoy is Charleroi, Luik is Liege, others should be self-explanatory)

 

[sedna17]

Thanks for the map Verily. Unfortunately it doesn't match up with the neighbor maps very well. Perhaps someone can see what they can do to either modify this map or the French/German/?? maps to bring them all into agreement?

I'm going to post new WorldBuilderSaves with the current city names shortly if that will help people make sure they're all on the same page.

 

[jessiecat]

Thanks for the map Verily. Unfortunately it doesn't match up with the neighbor maps very well. Perhaps someone can see what they can do to either modify this map or the French/German/?? maps to bring them all into agreement?

I'm going to post new WorldBuilderSaves with the current city names shortly if that will help people make sure they're all on the same page.

I'm not sure I've still got the latest saves for those. But if you post those I'll tie them up with the Dutch one.

 

[sedna17]

Okay the latest versions are now posted on the first post of this thread. These are the ones I have put into the Dec 20th test version, and are mostly up-to-date, but I know micbic has promised a new Hungary, and I haven't been able to use onedreamer's latest Italy (due to saved game incompatibility).

 

[onedreamer]

well tough luck. I posted the save 2 weeks ago and specified it was a save game. Now, since I wasn't notified that it couldn't be imported (actually I kept reading they were insta-imported) I have deleted old RFCE versions. And Sedna, no matter how many times you repeat to save them in WBS. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

 

[jessiecat]

Okay the latest versions are now posted on the first post of this thread. These are the ones I have put into the Dec 20th test version, and are mostly up-to-date, but I know micbic has promised a new Hungary, and I haven't been able to use onedreamer's latest Italy (due to saved game incompatibility).

I hate to say this, but all the CityName maps in that folder are blank. ie. no names at all. I'll try and find the latest French and German maps in this thread and work with those.

EDIT I've revised and extended the Dutch map a bit. It should be fairly compatible with the French and German ones now. I've included both the WBsave and a saved game. Plus a screenshot.

 

[micbic]

If I hadn't made the idiot mistake of actually saving the German map as Hungarian and as German, the Hungarian map would be there yesterday. Anyway, after two hours of checking and replacing, it is ready for use.

 

[Wessel V1]

EDIT I've revised and extended the Dutch map a bit. It should be fairly compatible with the French and German ones now. I've included both the WBsave and a saved game. Plus a screenshot.

Some suggestions:

Antwerp --> Antwerpen
Koln --> Keulen
Breda isn't approtiate, since it IRL is between Rotterdam and Antwerpen, so I'd replace it with Nijmegen (south) and Arnhem (north). The current Nijmegen could be replaced with Enschede (north) and Arnhem (south), and Enschede with Groningen.
Charnoy --> Charleroi / Namen (Sadomacho knows what's more approtiate)
Dunkerke --> Duinkerken
Cales --> Calais, as it is in France.
Aachen --> Aken. Also, Aken is east of Maastricht IRL.
Oostend --> Oostende

Is it necessary to expand these settler maps to some major cities outside their historical important area? E.g. Paris could become Parijs if conquered by the Dutch. If so, I'm willing to do this (for real now)

 

[jessiecat]

Some suggestions:

Antwerp --> Antwerpen
Koln --> Keulen
Breda isn't approtiate, since it IRL is between Rotterdam and Antwerpen, so I'd replace it with Nijmegen (south) and Arnhem (north). The current Nijmegen could be replaced with Enschede (north) and Arnhem (south), and Enschede with Groningen.
Charnoy --> Charleroi / Namen (Sadomacho knows what's more approtiate)
Dunkerke --> Duinkerken
Cales --> Calais, as it is in France.
Aachen --> Aken. Also, Aken is east of Maastricht IRL.
Oostend --> Oostende

Is it necessary to expand these settler maps to some major cities outside their historical important area? E.g. Paris could become Parijs if conquered by the Dutch. If so, I'm willing to do this (for real now)

OK. Why don't you load my saved game, make all the changes you think necessary then save it as WB save and post it here. That'd be great. Thanks.

 

[st.lucifer]

Here's an attempt at the Dutch map. I don't know how it matches up with the neighbors, though. Also, for the map, it might be a good idea to move the Dyes south a tile so Amsterdam has an appropriate, resource-free tile. It's unfortunate that the map doesn't really allow for Antwerp to have sea access, but oh well.

(Cales is Calais, Rijsel is Lille, Namen is Namur, Charnoy is Charleroi, Luik is Liege, others should be self-explanatory)

I hate to say this, but all the CityName maps in that folder are blank. ie. no names at all. I'll try and find the latest French and German maps in this thread and work with those.

EDIT I've revised and extended the Dutch map a bit. It should be fairly compatible with the French and German ones now. I've included both the WBsave and a saved game. Plus a screenshot.

I'm open to moving the marshes around if we need to - especially if they're keeping important cities out of their right spots.

I'm also going to put a short river (2 tiles) going due N from the mouth of the others, to represent the Lys.

 

[Verily]

Some suggestions:

Antwerp --> Antwerpen
Koln --> Keulen
Breda isn't approtiate, since it IRL is between Rotterdam and Antwerpen, so I'd replace it with Nijmegen (south) and Arnhem (north). The current Nijmegen could be replaced with Enschede (north) and Arnhem (south), and Enschede with Groningen.
Charnoy --> Charleroi / Namen (Sadomacho knows what's more approtiate)
Dunkerke --> Duinkerken
Cales --> Calais, as it is in France.
Aachen --> Aken. Also, Aken is east of Maastricht IRL.
Oostend --> Oostende

Is it necessary to expand these settler maps to some major cities outside their historical important area? E.g. Paris could become Parijs if conquered by the Dutch. If so, I'm willing to do this (for real now)

In my looking things up, I discovered some old, no longer used Dutch names for places; those included Charnoy for Charleroi and Kales for Calais. Modern Dutch presumably uses the French names, but medieval Dutch would not have done so. (Oostende is a typo on my part.)

Edit: Actually, it should be Charnoy on the French map, too. The city was refounded as Charles-Roy (Charleroi) in 1666 for Emperor Charles V; for the vast majority of our time period, it was called Charnoy.

 

[ecv]

Hello,
I wanted to work a bit on the Norse city map, but there are no landmarks in the newest version.
Then I tried to go back in this thread and find the newest version of the Norse map. I found a somewhat old save from Jessiecat, but when I try to open the save file, I get an "unable to open file" msg.

 

[jessiecat]

Hello,
I wanted to work a bit on the Norse city map, but there are no landmarks in the newest version.
Then I tried to go back in this thread and find the newest version of the Norse map. I found a somewhat old save from Jessiecat, but when I try to open the save file, I get an "unable to open file" msg.

Unfortunately you are right on both counts. I can't open my old save either for some reason. And like you say, the folder containing the various CityName maps contains nothing but a bunch of blank maps. Hopefully, sedna17 will spot this soon and rectify it.

In the meantime, is there something you'd like to change about the Norse CityName map? I thought I'd made it pretty extensive, covering all of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and the whole Baltic coast.

 

[ecv]

Unfortunately you are right on both counts. I can't open my old save either for some reason. And like you say, the folder containing the various CityName maps contains nothing but a bunch of blank maps. Hopefully, sedna17 will spot this soon and rectify it.

In the meantime, is there something you'd like to change about the Norse CityName map? I thought I'd made it pretty extensive, covering all of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and the whole Baltic coast.

There are some things that I think could be improved. Heres a list:

- Kobenhaven -> København.
- When one founds a city in the northen part of jutland, at the tile at the east coast just south of the river, it should be Aalborg and not Århus.
- The north-eastern tile of the four tiles depicting Scania should probably have the name Christianstad, the name can be debated, but it definently shouldnt be Malmo imo (Which in turn should be "Malmø").
- The south-western tile in Scania (which I asume) has the name "Malmo", should perhaps have name "Lund" or "Malmø-Lund". Today Malmø is the bigger of the two cities, but Lund was the "capital" of Denmark in the 1100-1200 period, and perhaps the most importent city in Denmark 1100~1300.
- I havent looked that much at the city names used in Jutland, but atleast the city of Esbjerg didnt exist before 1868.

 

[jessiecat]

There are some things that I think could be improved. Heres a list:

- Kobenhaven -> København.
- When one founds a city in the northen part of jutland, at the tile at the east coast just south of the river, it should be Aalborg and not Århus.
- The north-eastern tile of the four tiles depicting Scania should probably have the name Christianstad, the name can be debated, but it definently shouldnt be Malmo imo (Which in turn should be "Malmø").
- The south-western tile in Scania (which I asume) has the name "Malmo", should perhaps have name "Lund" or "Malmø-Lund". Today Malmø is the bigger of the two cities, but Lund was the "capital" of Denmark in the 1100-1200 period, and perhaps the most importent city in Denmark 1100~1300.
- I havent looked that much at the city names used in Jutland, but atleast the city of Esbjerg didnt exist before 1868.

I bow to your expertise on those points. But i guess we'll have to wait on sedna to post some workable CityName maps before we can revise them. Won't be long, I hope? Anyway, thanks for your help.

 

[sedna17]

There was a small bug preventing landmarks from displaying. New (working!) versions have now been posted on the first post. Go nuts. I'm happy to post-process maps to add in accents by-the-way.

 

[jessiecat]

There was a small bug preventing landmarks from displaying. New (working!) versions have now been posted on the first post. Go nuts. I'm happy to post-process maps to add in accents by-the-way.

Thanks. Just finished revising and correcting Arab/Cordoba CityName map. Removed mountain-top names and fixed the anomaly whereby a rebuilt Tangier was renamed Wufah instead of Tanjah. Not many accents. Arabic spellings are distinct enough IMO. Saved game and WB save below.