RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[merijn_v1]

I am playing a game on Beta 4 (haven't DL 5 yet and so not sure if this is fixed in 5).

My bug I have seen is that Sweden AI player is getting Formation promotions for their Carracks. I know Formation is their Unique ability, but shouldn't this be restricted to land-based units?

We know that the Swedish non-land units get the bonus. But it would take too much effort to fix it. Currently, we have other priorities. And it doesn't effect the game, because ships (and also workers and settlers) doesn't fight against mounted units anyway.

IIRC, I once got the Genoan Bank + Corp UHV without that bug.

I will try to give the Leaderheads a more appropriate background music.

@dalebu
I hope you mean Genoan Bank in post 4534. BTW, welcome to CFC.

 

[yogiebere]

What is the Ottoman UP again? Sorry I'm away from my gaming pc atm

Well I was suggesting their UB, but their UP might be better to change
Their UB adds 2 happiness to aqueduct, which is fairly useless and unrelated to the ottomans
Their UP lets you draft in cities with less than 30% of your own culture... rather useless as well because youll be spamming knights every 1-2 turns from a multitude of cities by the 16th century.
I'm suggesting giving +2 stability to conquered cities as the UP, that would really help the ottomans, currently on monarch its impossible to get to vienna and egypt without collapsing

 

[ezzlar]

That is same as Occupation civic. Something else maybe?

And drafting only works when you have above 10% of your own culture. So no drafting in new cities. In reality this is only between 10-30% own culture.

Maybe Janissarie (?) as UU?

 

[PatCat90]

IIRC, I once got the Genoan Bank + Corp UHV without that bug.
So you're saying it's fine?

 

[PatCat90]

We know that the Swedish non-land units get the bonus. But it would take too much effort to fix it. Currently, we have other priorities. And it doesn't effect the game, because ships (and also workers and settlers) doesn't fight against mounted units anyway.

IIRC, I once got the Genoan Bank + Corp UHV without that bug.

I will try to give the Leaderheads a more appropriate background music.

@dalebu
I hope you mean Genoan Bank in post 4534. BTW, welcome to CFC.

So you're saying there is no bug?

 

[Leoreth]

We know that the Swedish non-land units get the bonus. But it would take too much effort to fix it.

Not really, it's one simple extra condition in the code.

 

[merijn_v1]

I just said what 3Miro said. He thinks it requires some C++. But if it isn't so hard, we can change it.

I don't know for 100% sure if there is no Genoan UHV bug.

 

[ezzlar]

During my game as France i owned Genoa (Genes) and when the genoans spawned I tested rejecting the flip. The genoan army spawned in Corse. Since the AI doesnt know how to use naval invasions very well I was able to keep the city.

The army should pop on the main land!

 

[AbsintheRed]

Even better:
In my last game with burgundy I found a city one tile west of Genova
When the genoans spawned, they didn't even asked for the city, no flip screen or anything
I was able to keep the city and remain in peace with them at the same time
Their initial army transported a few tiles southeast and found their capital between my city and Firenze

 

[Daffy]

Been playing as the Genoans recently, found two corporations early and got the banks soon later. But the goal is still not completed, am I alone on this. Check save file to confirm.

same here (beta 5)
save attached (1 turn before UHV should count)

 

[yogiebere]

hey do you guys think we could sticky this thread?

 

[Wessel V1]

No, the download thread should if possible always be on top, and this thread will always stay on top of the first page so there is no need to sticky it.

 

[3Miro]

Ottomans should be able to draft units from cities with dominant foreign culture. Is there a bug? Their UP could be changed, I have not tried an Ottoman game myself.

Changing the Formation promotion for ships and Medic promotion for workers takes more code than you think. It will require a hard-coding between XML and C++, which means some things will be very hard to change. Right now, any changes in C++ only have to be reflected in a simple Python file. At any rate, this change is purely cosmetic.

 

[3Miro]

same here (beta 5)
save attached (1 turn before UHV should count)

I fixed it for the next version.

Thanks.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I fixed it for the next version.

Thanks.

Saw the svn, all the changes look good
Pls wait for my updates before releasing Beta 6
I will upload them either tomorrow night or on Saturday

 

[Daffy]

I'm not sure if it's intended or if I'm doing something wrong..
sometimes I have trouble getting an initial religion spread

I quit my last game with Portugal sometime around 1300 when I was still atheist..
The only option to force it would be conquest and you still need a monastary or org. religion to spread it. And attacking Cordoba usualy results in Islam, not what I had in mind.

I have a similar problem with England besides that I have no idea how to get France out of the way.

The most likely origin for catholicism ist the flipping french cities, but they probrably don't have a monastary, don't produce squat and org. religion ist usually out of reach. If the French don't immediately conquer them back or sink your lone ship in the english channel(stopping any reinforcements either way)

I vote that both civs get an initial catholic missionary
any second?

 

[Veshta]

Has tech cost been reduced since the last alpha?

Tried an Ottoman game and on spawn half the world was protestant (founded in late 12th century) with France and Germany popping all wonders with a massive point lead to the rabble.

Tried a German game after I saw the early AI's Printing Press and got it myself in 1203, by the time my third UHV completed (1560) I was starting on the Industrial Revolution tech

Same with a Dutch game, starts off being a whole era or more behind FRA/GER which makes Europe a rather dangerous place for a newcomer

England is only doable if you get a French stack in one of the flip cities (tried 5 times ), but a long .. oh so very long climb up the tech tree and not seeing any sort of parity unless FRA/GER suicides each other.

Austria are pathetic, again probably due to no longer having a tech buffer on spawn, used to be able to pimp Chivalry for a lot of the missing techs on spawn making the catch-up much faster. They vassalize to Poland of all things in most games.

Moscow never seems to get going, very slow expansion from what I have seen. Perhaps a little more southern aggression is in order so they can nab those tasty Kievan left overs.

Hungary and Bulgaria AI's are very competitive now (read: they don't collapse constantly), although they don't seem to have the grudge match going that they did in alpha releases, could just be me though.

Venice took a huge hit whatever was done to them. AI used to rule the Mediterranean with cities all over the smaller isles, now they barely make it to southern Greece. At least they are not uber-techers anymore .. much more on par with the rest (until Towns kick in in GER/FRA that is).

Norse are Norse. Can be powerhouses or whimpy little vassals, seems to be dependent on luck with RNG when they go pillaging ..
Isn't it possible to have a UHV other than raze an entire empire, very stereotyped considering what they gave Europe (Normans, spread of Christianity). I feel that something like building trading-posts in unlikely places is more appropriate.

Personally think that one of the reasons for the tech madness is the Free Peasantry/Limited Monarchy combo. On the vast European stretches of river grassland it just gives such an insane output ..
German game I cranked Line Infantry in 1.5 turns from a non-capital cottage farm, +300g/turn, 2k+ beaker/turn@100% .. just seems wrong

 

[3Miro]

Veshta, are you playing Monarch or Viceroy. Dutch are usually not so far behind on Monarch.

Faster tech rate is a problem for the mod, it will be slowed down for the next version.

 

[Veshta]

Veshta, are you playing Monarch or Viceroy. Dutch are usually not so far behind on Monarch...

Monarch, that's the 'default' I believe .. clickity-click when starting game, drug must flow

And yea, there are some occasions where the Dutch are about on par with the continent (only had patience to check 4 games so no way statistically relevant ), but that requires one or both of the neighbours to have had serious problems along the way .. not sure what kind of code is determining war 'twixt FRA and GER, but they do not seem to go at it enough for it to have any impact on their performance.

Just wanted to get it out there since the tech difference between alpha and beta was very noticeable to me.

PS: Why all the Byzantium hate? Isn't it enough that they get Turks, Bulgars, Barbarians and Arabs .. I just saw that Venice has them as target now as well .. hahahaha, poor sods

 

[3Miro]

PS: Why all the Byzantium hate? Isn't it enough that they get Turks, Bulgars, Barbarians and Arabs .. I just saw that Venice has them as target now as well .. hahahaha, poor sods

Also Moscow, but they are the Ottomans by then. The Byz were the biggest thing around for quite some time, so naturally everyone wants to go after them.