RFC Europe: Small bugs/fixes

The english UP (cottage economy +1 hammer per workshop) brings +2 hammers per workshop.
If England runs apprenticeship they get 1 food 4 hammers on every grassland with a workshop, imo thats overpowered.. no wonder they build wonders and colonial projects like crazy in the later game.
 
The english UP (cottage economy +1 hammer per workshop) brings +2 hammers per workshop.
If England runs apprenticeship they get 1 food 4 hammers on every grassland with a workshop, imo thats overpowered.. no wonder they build wonders and colonial projects like crazy in the later game.

It is only one hammer. You probably already discovered a tech that gives the extra hammer, or maybe it is a civic. But, hey, in real life they had many colonies. At one point, they controled 25% of all of the land in the world (I think it was ~1900).
 
It is only one hammer. You probably already discovered a tech that gives the extra hammer, or maybe it is a civic. But, hey, in real life they had many colonies. At one point, they controled 25% of all of the land in the world (I think it was ~1900).

any other civ gets 1 food 1 hammer on a grassland tile
england gets 1 food 3 hammers
I know that apprenticeship gives an additional hammer and steam engines gives another one.
Under such circumstances 'random civ' gets 1 food 3 hammers
england gets 1 food 5 hammers
add that to a river tile with the city having a dike, and england has 1 food 6 hammers..
golden age.. 1 food 7 hammers..

thats pretty much like having an iron mine on every grassland

if that's intentional.. ok..

but it still doesn't fit the tooltip of the english UP
that would 'merely' turn every workshoped grassland into something equal to a mine on a grassland hill.. which imo would seem balanced enough

if i'm supposedly to dumb for the math, pls tell me someone where i've gone wrong with this..


english workshop southwest of the city

austrian workshop (not worked) southeast of the city

as you can see by the farms, both are running serfdom/manorialism
 
They had the biggest empire ever in 1921 (if I remember correctly)- bigger than Mongol Empire or USSR and countries dependent on it.

But they were spread all over the world. The Mongol Empire was one piece. The same for the USSR.
 
It's hard to make the biggest empire and not to be "spread all over the world". Nevertheless, that's why they should have no problems with getting most of colonial projects. If it would have empire in "one piece" they should have sth like lowered maintenance or higher stability.

That's why I said it. The Mongols had the biggest one-piece empire. That's why I think they did a great job.
 
Actually Britain was somewhat of a latecomer when it came to the colonial race.
The first 'discovery' was Newfoundland in 1497 but they didn't found any colonies for a while. During the 16th century they mainly envied along with the french and dutch the huge riches that were pouring into portugal and spain due to their newly founded colonies. The first surviving colony was Jamestown founded in 1607, followed by St. Kitts 1624, Barbados 1627, Nevis 1628. Roanoke(1585-1587), Guiana(1604), St. Lucia(1605), Grenada(1609) didn't survive.
If you compare this to Spain and Portugal... well they had it all ;)

At the Battle of Beachy Head (1690) the French crushed the English and pretty much isolated them on their island.
The most devastating blow altough was dealt at The Battle of Lagos (1693). This defeat pretty much bankrupted England and gave France a huge money boost on the other side. If it hadn't been for a new establishment founded in 1694 'The Bank of England' there would've probrably been no British Empire to follow a hundred years later. This gave the government the money it desperately needed to completely rebuild it's fleet.

The 'Britsh Empire' as we mainly understand it today was a long struggle with many setbacks (as noted above) along they way. It mainly prevailed due the role of the Royal Navy. Which had become the most effective 'war machine' in the world during the 18th-19th century.
This dominance became undoubtably clear at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805 which pretty much gave them sole access to the worlds oceans for about 100 years following. In which time they also annexed pretty much all the French colonies after the fall of Napoleon. Thus completely driving them out of America and India.
Following all this came 'Queen Victoria' (1837-1901)(Empress of India 1876-1901) also known as the 'Victorian Age' in which Britain had it all..
But that would be after the time-period of the mod.

Spanish example:

The Laws of the Indies had the Laws of Burgos, 1512-1513, the first codified set of laws governing the behavior of Spanish settlers in the Americas, particularly with regards to native Indians. They forbade the maltreatment of natives, and endorsed the Indian Reductions with attempts of conversion to Catholicism. Upon their failure they were replaced by the New Laws (1542)

One of the most accomplished conquistadors was Hernán Cortés, who leading a relatively small Spanish force but with local translators and the crucial support of around two hundred thousand Amerindian allies, won Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire in the campaigns of 1519–21, becoming the Spanish empire's colony named the Viceroyalty of New Spain, present day Mexico. Of equal importance was the Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire by Francisco Pizarro, which would become the Viceroyalty of Peru. After the conquest of Mexico, rumours of golden cities (Quivira and Cíbola in North America, El Dorado in South America) caused several more expeditions to be sent out, but many of those returned without having found their goal, or having found it, finding it much less valuable than was hoped. Indeed, the New World colonies only began to yield a substantial part of the crown's revenues with the establishment of mines such as that of Potosí (1546). By the late 16th century silver from the Americas accounted for one-fifth of Spain's total budget.
In the 16th century "perhaps 240,000 Europeans" entered American ports.


Portuguese example:

The squadron of Vasco da Gama left Portugal in 1497, rounded the Cape and continued along the coast of East Africa, where a local pilot was brought on board who guided them across the Indian Ocean, reaching Calicut in western India in May 1498. The second voyage to India was dispatched in 1500 under Pedro Álvares Cabral. While following the same south-westerly route as da Gama across the Atlantic Ocean, Cabral made landfall on the Brazilian coast. This was probably an accidental discovery, but it has been speculated that the Portuguese secretly knew of Brazil's existence and that it lay on their side of the Tordesillas line. Cabral recommended to the Portuguese King that the land be settled, and two follow up voyages were sent in 1501 and 1503. The land was found to be abundant in pau-brasil, or brazilwood, from which it later inherited its name, but the failure to find gold or silver meant that for the time being Portuguese efforts were concentrated on India.

Profiting from the rivalry between the Maharaja of Kochi and the Zamorin of Calicut, the Portuguese were well received and seen as allies, getting a permit to build a fort (Fort Manuel) and a trading post that were the first European settlement in India. In 1505 King Manuel I of Portugal appointed Francisco de Almeida first Viceroy of Portuguese India, establishing the Portuguese government in the east. That year the Portuguese conquered Kannur where they founded St. Angelo Fort. Lourenço de Almeida arrived in Ceylon (modern Sri Lanka), where he discovered the source of cinnamon.

But in any case this is all totally beides the point and would be more fitting in the UHV discussion thread once it possibly comes up :p

There's a quite nice 4 part BBC Documentary on the subject called 'Empire of the Seas'
 
I've also noted that 'Field Artillery' is the first bombardment unit that actually destroys a unit and is thus capable of conquering cities. It's lacking the 'max 90% damage' or so penalty that other siege equipment has.
Intentional?
I also find the upgrade cost from Arbalestier's to Musketmen too low.
Bowman->Musketman 86 gold
Crossbowman->Musketman 40 gold
Arbalestier->Musketman 10 gold
Longbowman->Musketman 10 gold

Bowman->Longbowman 116 gold
Crossbowman->Longbowman 70 gold
Arbalestier->Longbowman 40 gold

I'd say Arbalestier->Musketman should be more like 20-30 gold
All money values are based on the dutch
 
But in any case this is all totally beides the point and would be more fitting in the UHV discussion thread once it possibly comes up

It's very simplified. Anyway, England should easily get most of late colonies (especially in players hands). Just some of the first should be "reserved" for Iberia (Portugal first invented essential techs and shortly afterwards Spain took it from them).
 
I've also noted that 'Field Artillery' is the first bombardment unit that actually destroys a unit and is thus capable of conquering cities. It's lacking the 'max 90% damage' or so penalty that other siege equipment has.
Intentional?

Fixed it.
 
The Power of the Inquisition:
No stability penalty from religious prosecution and +2EP per city.

I'm assuming that EP stands for espionage points in this case.
Well in the city advisor F1 it shows up, but you don't really get them.
Should be getting 17 EP per turn but i'm effectively only getting 5, and they are from Leon (Palace +4EP + 25% from Citadel).


Well and if it's experience points, I haven't noticed them either ;)
 
i just experienced a bug in my Genoa game. i was trying to keep France from going Protestant so i started sending missionaries and religious prosecutors into their cities. or rather i sent only ONE prosecutor. for some reason whenever i used it in a foreign city it would get rid of the non state religon but it wouldnt die. i continued to clear all of France with this one unit and then i sent him to Bulgaria and im doing the same thing there. they do die after their job is done when i use them on MY cities however.
 
Spain should have a Marble in the South-East (to the west of the fish)

Also what's with this?
Protestantism: The new liberal ideas and emphasis on personal freedom, grant Protestant nations beaker discount for new techs and hammer discount on the production of Colonies and Wonders.
How did this cause scientific progress when Catholicism has oppose science far less than Protestants?
 
Spain should have a Marble in the South-East (to the west of the fish)

Also what's with this?

How did this cause scientific progress when Catholicism has oppose science far less than Protestants?

Are you serious? :confused:

As a side note, it's true Calvinism opposed science at some point in the same way as Catholicism. But that's clearly an exception from Anglicanism and Lutheranism.
 
Are you serious? :confused:

As a side note, it's true Calvinism opposed science at some point in the same way as Catholicism. But that's clearly an exception from Anglicanism and Lutheranism.

"I think these things ( firearms ) were invented by Satan himself, for they can’t be defended against with (ordinary) weapons and fists."

"Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads."

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."

All by M. Luther. Doesn't sound like encouragement for scientists, does it? :crazyeye:
 
Also do Protestants get extra bonuses for driving Jews out? Martin Luther wrote a book called On the Jews and Their Lies (considering that WWI-WWII Martin Luther was a major source of German pride, Hell Hitler cited him as a hero to him and a great inspiration) Martin proposed to set fire to their synagogues and schools, to take away their homes, forbad them to pray or teach, or even to utter God's name; has anyone heard of Kristallnacht :mischief:?
"One leading Protestant churchman, Bishop Martin Sasse published a compendium of Martin Luther's antisemitic vitriol shortly after Kristallnacht's orgy of anti-Jewish violence. In the foreword to the volume, he applauded the burning of the synagogues and the coincidence of the day: 'On November 10, 1938, on Luther's birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany.' The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words 'of the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews.'"
Lots of quotes from his awesome book
Spoiler :
Luther's Introduction:

I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it.

But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies-- that is, longer than two thousand years.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly acts...

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:

First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...

Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...

Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...

Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it...

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. For our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...they remain our daily murderers and bloodthirsty foes in their hearts. Their prayers and curses furnish evidence of that, as do the many stories which relate their torturing of children and all sorts of crimes for which they have often been burned at the stake or banished.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
...that everyone would gladly be rid of them.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
Undoubtedly they do more and viler things than those which we know and discover.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...

If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
 
Has this to something to do which Bugs/Small fixes or is it a suggesting? If so post it on another thread.

Got a bug in my burgundy game today.
Spoiler :
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I think there shouldn't be Cuisrassiers. They just make the whole conquering story far to easy. Some paladins would be much more adequate.

Edit: Just look at the code and this looks like it doesn't work:
Code:
if ( self.getSelectedUnit( 2 ) > 0 ):
			if ( iLeader == con.iBurgundy ):
				self.makeUnit( con.iBurgundianPaladin, iLeader, tPlot, self.getSelectedUnit( 2 ) / iRougeModifier  )
			else:
				self.makeUnit( con.iKnight, iLeader, tPlot, self.getSelectedUnit( 2 ) / iRougeModifier  )
 
Really, I have no intent on starting a flamewar, but it's quite obvious protestant countries enjoyed more religious freedom at the time, which reflected in an increased scientific progress.

Now, it's an interesting historical debate wether that was only for religious/cultural reasons or not, but the different progress in Europe between latin/mediterranean countries and northern ones is a fact.

After all, Galileo lived his last years as a prisoner, at the same time that Descartes lived freely in Holland and Sweden.

There are exceptions to this, such as Calvinist Switzerland (as I noted before).

And I think you're forgetting in RFCE no civ is forced to switch religions, they just have a different modifier (probability) for choosing when Printing Press is discovered.
 
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