RFC: Extra Leaderhead discussion

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In new thread for the discussion what leaderheads should be added to RFC in a MODCOMP. The main reasom I'd like to add new leaderheads is that I realy dislike seeing ancient leaders in modern times.

I'd like to go systematic with this because else the discussion in other threads in the past have always ended up in YES/NO discussions.

I will start with an easy one (I hope) so we can have a good start :

Haile Selassie of Ethiopia
regent of Ethiopia from 1916 to 1930 - Emperor of Ethiopia form 1930 to 1974
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I_of_Ethiopia

download:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9308

Possible date of appearing : 1880AD, 1900AD, 1910AD, 1918AD, 1930AD (dates form consts.py)

Let's start the discussion.

Are in:

Ethiopia : Haile Selassie
Turkey: Atatürk
Japan: Meiji, Hirohito
Greece: George I
Egypte: Cleopatra
Dutch: Wilhemina
Arabs: Abu Bakr, Ibn Saoud
Spain: Franco, El Cid
France: Joan of Ark, if I find a button for the LH
Vikings: Gustav Adolph
 
Mustafa Kemal is the best candidate for modern Turkey that I can think of, so why not?
 
Indeed.


I also support the addition of Khomeini and Saddam Hussein as being representative of modern Iran and Iraq. Saddam is more debatable, but it's a good looking leader head and I can't think of any other Iraqi leader.

Khomeini should be a definite, as Iran was still called Persia until 1935, and Khomeini turned the country into the Islamic Theocracy it is today. One of the best representations in Civ 4 of a government system, I'd say.
 
OK, moving on.

Khomeini and Sadam will be discussed later, as they are contoversial.

Next: Japan:

I was thinking of adding both Meiji and Hirohito

Meiji appears around 1800 (I know, he should be later), and making him more open for trade and science so Japan can modernise.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11046

Around 1900 the switch to Hirohito, a more aggressive and militaristic Japan
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3646

To continu a bit faster:
Greece : George I
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7530
Egypte : Cleopatra
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11639
or http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9979
Dutch : Wilhelmina?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10731
Arabia: Abu Bakr as first leader
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10727
Arabia : Ibn Saoud
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=287855 (LH is in the mod)
Vikings : Harald Hardrada
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7914
Spain: Franco
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=5927
Spain: El Cid
http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11060
 
El Cid was a conroversial persona, as he sometimes fought with the Arabian side.
Any ancient Japanese leaders?
 
Hirohito: will do, I used that one in my previous modcomp

Ancient Japanese: I don't see the point.

Any more problems with El Cid? Other ideas for Spain?
 
I recall someone suggesting making Wang Kon leaderhead the ancient Japanese leader (his personality wouldn't even need much changing, he's pretty much as welcoming as Japan was back then) and replacing "Ming Tai Zu" with another Chinese leader.
 
Harald Hardrada for the Vikings doesn't really add that much. We already have a "viking" leader in Civ 4; a later Scandinavian leader would be much better if there is a choice there.

Does adding additional leaders slow down the game?
 
Now that I like. Harald does look good, but I'd rather see how adding leaders changes the loading times. If it doesn't much, then the more the merrier!

I'd like for France to have a Medieval leader. It always seemed really weird to have Louis take control of Gaul after the Roman empire fell.

However, the best I can find is Joan of Ark (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5282870 ) . She's not really what I would consider for the spot, but she is still infinitely better that Louis running France in 900AD :king:
 
Well, he's Swedish, and not for all Scandinavians a leader, that's why I'd like a Kalmar Union King.

This is also why it will be hard to find a modern LH for the Vikings.
 
Sweden was the strongest of Scandinavian countries, and also I rarely see Vikings control Denmark, so a Danish king wouldn't make as much sense as a Swedish king makes.
 
OK, I will use him. I'm going to leave Harald out, because of the small time periode.

I'm going to use El Cid too.

On to the more controversial LH then?

Persia: Khomeini?

Why or why not?
 
Khomeini is famous, but I don't think that he was a great leader. I'd support adding Ismail I, the founder of the Safavid dynasty in Persia. I'm not sure whether his LH has been made, but we could use some other 16th century-ish LH.
 
Khomeini: Yes. Among the world's most successful revolutionaries. The most prominent person in the Islamist movement of the late 20th century. It could lead to interesting late-game play if you make him militaristic.
 
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