Rhye's and Fall RAND: Preview #2

@Onedreamer and Virdrago: Tver and Suzdal are good additions. Thanks :) Rather than reposting the whole dang thing, I went back and edited my last List post (post #165, page 9, this thread).

Just so you know, due to likely dates of foundation, Suzdal is #8 and Tver #12 on List 1.
 
I see your point jkp1187, but i put Goa because it was the administrative center of portuguese colonial empire in asia from 1510 to 1961.

Metal Alloy Man, i think that Goa(panaji) is not in the Indian list, maybe you are making confusion with another city from the region of Goa
 
pav123, do you have any idea for Inland cities in Portuguese Colonies? I can only think of 2 or 3 important cities =\ Portugal just did coastal bases in all her footholds, and there are only 2 or 3 cities in Inland Brazil to gather gold. Any idea?
 
pav123, do you have any idea for Inland cities in Portuguese Colonies? I can only think of 2 or 3 important cities =\ Portugal just did coastal bases in all her footholds, and there are only 2 or 3 cities in Inland Brazil to gather gold. Any idea?

I think a lot of Angolan or Mozambican cities will qualify as "Portuguese" enough for our purposes. The Portuguese held sway over those territories for hundreds of years, after all -- far longer than Portuguese rule lasted in Brazil. Here are some examples (defaulting to the original Portuguese names in cases where the subsequent Angolan government changed the names:)

Nova Lisboa (present-day Humabo)
Cuito Cuanavale (which, according to the Wikipedia was involved in the rather awesomely-titled "Operation Alpha Centauri" during the Angolan Civil War)
Sá da Bandeira
São Salvador
Vila Luso

This is the map of Angola I referred to: http://www.iss.co.za/af/profiles/Angola/angola_rel90.jpg

Malvérnia
Vila Pery
Vila Junqueiro
Vila Cabral

Map of Mozambique
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/MozambiqueOMC.png

EDIT: all of these cities are category 3 "colonial, inland" cities.
 
You could always include Brasillia if you had to even though it wasn't founded by Portugal it was founded by one of it's colonies.
 
I do kinda have a lot of city lists (have them saved from CTP since I didn't like certain civs and decided to add real historical civs - I know, I had no life then), including ones for every civ in RFC. I just didn't want to take over with my lists, so I left it to others (from the thread, you can see I have done a few lists already). I tried to help out with the lists of the more obscure nations (Mongolia, Khmer, Ethiopia). I can give Aztec, Maya and Inca ones, if you want. I think there already is a half-done Inca one.
 
Just perused the thread:

These lists have been done (doesn't mean they're finalized, of course), or partially done:

America
Incas*
Spain
Russia
France
Dutch
Vikings
Germany
Rome
Arabia
Persia*
Mongolia
Japan
Khmer
Babylon
India
China
Turkey
Mali
Ethiopia
Portugal
England
Egypt (below)

*Incas, Persia seems partially completed. Greece has been started.

Still not attempted:

Aztecs
Greece (for the most part)
Carthage
Maya
 
I may not have the same names as Rhye has (I know Niwt-Rst is the Egyptian name for Thebes), but I'll try my best for Egypt:

Note: Edited as per Blizzrd's input below.

Category 1:

Niwt-Rst - Thebes
Ineb Hedj - Memphis
Per-Atum - from what I gather Heliopolis. If not, Heliopolis would be called Iunu
Henen-Nesut - Heracleopolis
Yebu - Elephantine
Abdju - Abydos
Abusir - Busiris
Hut-Repyt - Athribis
Djanet - Tanis
Khmun - Hermopolis
----------------this is 10 cities -------------------
Zawty - Asyut
Nekhen - Heirakonpolis
Tjeny - Thinis
Shedyet - Crocodilopolis
Gebtu - Coptos
Akhetaton
Pi-Ramesses


Category 2:

Per-Atum - Pithom
Djedet - Mendes
Per-Wadjet - Buto
Per-Bast - Bubastis
Tjebnutjer - Sebennytos
Hatwaret - Avaris

Category 3:

Qadesh
Dapur - supposedly in Syria

Category 4:

Gaza
Zemar - in Lebanon
 
I may not have the same names as Rhye has (I know Niwt-Rst is the Egyptian name for Thebes), but I'll try my best for Egypt:

Category 1:

Niwt-Rst - Thebes
Ineb Hedj - Memphis
Per-Atum - from what I gather Heliopolis. If not, Heliopolis would be called Iunu
Henen-Nesut - Heracleopolis
Yebu - Elephantine
Abdju - Abydos
Abusir - Busiris
Athribis
Pi - Ramesses - could be Tanis.
Khmun - Hermopolis

Athribis was referred to as Hut-Repyt in ancient Egyptian.
Tanis was referred to as Djanet in ancient Egyptian.
 
Carthage:

Category 1:

Utica
Sicca (El Kef)
Sarim Batim (Constantine, Algeria)
Sitifis (Setif)
Zama

Category 2:

Qart Hadast (Carthage)
Adrametum
Hippo (Annaba)
Kerkouane
Leptis
Oea (Tripoli)
Thapsus
Tingi (Tangier)
Ikosim (Algiers)
Rusadir (Mellila)
10 Cities
Tacape
Sabratha
Iol (Chercell)
Tipasa
Lixus
Thanae

Category 3:

Carmo (Carmona)
Helmantica (Salamanca)
Elibyrge (Grenada)

Category 4:

Qart-Hadast (Nova Carthago)
Malaka (Malaga)
Sexi (Almuñécar)
Ziz (Palermo)
Gades (Cádiz)
Abdera
Karalis (Cagliari)
Olbia
Melita (Malta)
Motya
Lilybaeum

Some city names cross other lists.
 
Edungeon desculpa não ter respondido mais cedo, mas tenho estado ocupado.
Quanto ás cidades não me lembro de nenhuma mas talvez se juntarmos as cidades que conheces do Brasil com algumas que o jkp1187 propôs dê para fazer a lista. No entretanto vou procurar nos meus antigos livros de história do liceu.

Should i let the portuguese colonies in India in the list?
 
I know Rhye has already done the English cities, but I thought I'd offer what I think is an improved version. For the home cities, I concentrated on including all British cities of the greatest historical political and economic importance. For the colonial I wanted to include a more representative sample of economically and politically significant British-founded cities from different regions and time periods.

HOME INLAND CITIES
Bath, c. 43, Roman
York, 71, Roman
Manchester, 79, Roman
Newcastle, 120, Roman
Nottingham, c. 550
Edinburgh, c. 600 *
Birmingham, c. 600
Norwich, c. 650
Lincoln, c. 650
(Oxford, c. 750)
Coventry, 1043

HOME PORTS (includes cities on rivers close enough to the sea to allow them to become major ports)
London, 43, Roman
(Gloucester, 48, Roman)
(Exeter, 50, Roman)
Southampton, c 50, Roman
Cardiff, 55, Roman *
Glasgow, c. 550 *
(Ipswich, c. 600)
Aberdeen, c. 750 *
Bristol, 1000
Hull, c. 1150
(Portsmouth, 1180)
Liverpool, 1207
Plymouth, 1235
Belfast, 1609 *

COLONIAL INLAND CITIES
Philadelphia, 1682, USA **
Toronto, 1787, Canada
Edmonton, c. 1790, Canada
Ottawa, 1800, Canada
Winnipeg, 1809, Canada
(Ladysmith, 1850, South Africa ***)
Alice Springs, c. 1870, Australia
Kimberley, 1871, South Africa
Salisbury (now Harare), 1890, capital of Zimbabwe
Blantyre, 1891, Malawi
Livingstone, c. 1895, Zambia

COLONIAL PORTS
Boston, 1630, USA **
Providence, 1636, USA **
(Bridgetown, 1654, Barbados)
Kingston, 1692, Jamaica
Baltimore, 1729, USA **
Georgetown, 1781, Guyana
(Freetown, 1787, Sierra Leone)
Sydney, 1788, Australia
(Port Elizabeth, 1820, South Africa)
Brisbane, 1824, Australia
Auckland, 1840, New Zealand
Vancouver, 1863, Canada
(Port Moresby, 1873, Papua New Guinea)

SUGGESTED COLONIAL CITIES BY COUNTRY
USA: 5
Canada: 5
Australia: 3
South Africa: 3
Zimbabwe: 1
Malawi: 1
Zambia: 1
Barbados 1
Jamaica: 1
Guyana: 1
Sierra Leone: 1
New Zealand: 1
Papua New Guinea: 1

* These cities are Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish. To my mind a civ which includes these cities should be called 'British' not 'English'. In case Rhye wishes to remove these cities, I've included extra English cities in the lists where they appear.

** These cities are now American. I've included extra British-founded cities in the list where they appear, in case Rhye prefers them on the American citylist.

*** Founded by Boers, but annexed and renamed by the British within a year

(city name) Cities in brackets are ones that I recommend removing if the US, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish cities are retained, in order to keep the lists down to ten cities in each category.
 
COLONIAL PORTS
Boston, 1630, USA **
Providence, 1636, USA **
Bridgetown, 1654, Barbados
Kingston, 1692, Jamaica
Baltimore, 1729, USA **
Georgetown, 1781, Guyana
Freetown, 1787, Sierra Leone
Sydney, 1788, Australia
Port Elizabeth, 1820, South Africa
Brisbane, 1824, Australia
Auckland, 1840, New Zealand
Vancouver, 1863, Canada
Port Moresby, 1873, Papua New Guinea

I think that the American cities should be removed from this list and the overseas coastal list changed to:

Sydney
Melbourne
Hobart
Brisbane
Auckland
Christchurch
Port Elizabeth
Kingston
Vancouver
Perth
 
Well I've done the lists so that the US cities can be removed and still leave ten cities in each list.

Out of interest, what was the rationale behind your adjustment of the coastal city list? All of the cities you suggest were certainly major ports, but they cover a much smaller part of the British Empire than my proposed list.
 
I listed the coastal overseas cities which are prominent today. I figured that this was more relevant in a randomly generated map than geographic coverage of the real world - which isn't exactly relevant on a completely new map.

Melbourne is >> Port Moresby for instance.

I'd suggest Alice Springs should be replaced with Canberra also for list 3.
 
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