jessiecat
Divine Monarch
Yes, AFAIK. As soon as our modders get back. A couple of weeks?
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Yes, AFAIK. As soon as our modders get back. A couple of weeks?
Michael Vick
#1
Yes, moving Valencia North would allow for a better Cartagena or Alicante, but it all comes down to which place best reflects it's position in real life IMO. Barcelona is a bit powerful though.. moving Valencia would help that.
On the topic of New World resources, I don't know if this is accurate at all but I do remember that in base RFC corn spawned North of Lisbon in the early 1700's.
EDIT: After a closer look, you're absolutely right, micbic, Valencia should be one tile Norther.
On the topic of New World resources, I don't know if this is accurate at all but I do remember that in base RFC corn spawned North of Lisbon in the early 1700's.
EDIT: After a closer look, you're absolutely right, micbic, Valencia should be one tile Norther.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
Having looked at our map again and compared it to maps of Spain, I concede the point. Yes, micbic is right.
It should move 1 tile north.
Michael Vick
#1
What if we add that little piece of land stretching out Eastward from where Valencia used to be? Where Denia is? It would give Valencia another land tile to work with, which is good, considering it's production is terribly low in the early game.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
Maybe that would work. A half tile anyway. The problem with your proposed location is that it takes in 2 mountains to the NE which will be 2 useless tiles. I don't find the production in it's present location that bad really. The new spot could make it worse as it'll miss one of the fish and the fruit which is good for growth.
Michael Vick
#1
A plains tile with a forest would be best, right? Anybody care to suggest a resource?
micbic
Optimistic Pessimist
Dunno. Perhaps resource-less?
@jessiecat: perhaps the fish could be moved north as well. As for the fruit...let Cartagena have something!
@jessiecat: perhaps the fish could be moved north as well. As for the fruit...let Cartagena have something!
Michael Vick
#1
I was actually thinking moving the fruit to that tile.. you know, to give Valencia the food boost. One thing is certain though, Valencia's fat cross MUST have fish, clam, rice, and olive (oil), the necessary ingredients for the paella. 
st.lucifer
King
I was actually thinking moving the fruit to that tile.. you know, to give Valencia the food boost. One thing is certain though, Valencia's fat cross MUST have fish, clam, rice, and olive (oil), the necessary ingredients for the paella.
I was all for putting in a couple of spices to represent saffron, but was overruled.
What's the agricultural production like around Cartagena in real life?
Michael Vick
#1
Same as most of the area, wheat and olives, a little citrus and wine too.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
@ st. lucifer. Saffron was not native. It was introduced by the Arabs who got it from the Indians.
@ Michael Vick. AFAIK the area between Valencia and Malaga is and was largely desert scrubland. There were little indigenous resources of that kind until the Arabs introduced advanced irrigation.
BTW. How can you have the orginal Paella Valenciana without rabbit and chicken? Not a clam in sight.
st.lucifer
King
Another example of 'all good things in Europe were introduced by the Arabs'? Damn, I may come around to your position on Cordoba yet.
I wasn't seriously objecting to being overruled.
@ Michael Vick. AFAIK the area between Valencia and Malaga is and was largely desert scrubland. There were little indigenous resources of that kind until the Arabs introduced advanced irrigation.
BTW. How can you have the orginal Paella Valenciana without rabbit and chicken? Not a clam in sight.
Valencia should definitely have the fruit in its BFC - what do we do for Cartagena?
Michael Vick
#1
It was a particularly important trading city in the 1700's, up there with Cadiz and Bilbao. So I'd say give it some luxury resources, something that will make it a sufficiently wealthy city.
st.lucifer
King
Coastal Mediterranean city, dry climate - scrubland; hills.
Dye? There aren't any in Iberia, if I remember right.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
Valencia was one of the principal Meditteranean commercial ports, reaching its peak of prosperity in the 15thC.
It exported mainly olive oil, rice, wheat and citrus fruit and was the most important importer of silk in Western Europe. We've already got rice and fish there so we could add olives and fruit.
I know this has been suggested but I agree with Micheal that the 15thC. "Lonja de la Seda" (Silk Exchange) in Valencia should be added as a World Wonder, if we can find the art. I've been a couple of times and it's stunning inside. (Photos below).
merijn_v1
Black Belt
I like the wonder, but what would be his power? If its providing silk it looks too much like Marco Polo-thing.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
micbic
Optimistic Pessimist
Why havent I seen any rice resources on the map? Is it out as a resource?
BTW, the Denia tile turned out at an olive plain hill. Is it OK?
BTW, the Denia tile turned out at an olive plain hill. Is it OK?
merijn_v1
Black Belt
After 1500 their spawn a rice resource near Valencia. And AFAIK also one near Alexandria.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
3 rice. One NE of Valencia, one near Alexandria, and one in N. Italy, all after 1000AD.
@micbic. Olives on the Denia tile would be fine. And fruit moved North as well, if possible.
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