Rhye's of Europe Code Coordination thread

[jessiecat]

Was it? My apologies. Yeah inscriptions might look better than the crescent too. But I don't know Arabic, so can somebody find a suitable inscription (nice looking, preferable two-colour image so it's easy to extract)?

I've gone ahead and wrote up the PlayerColor info into XML. Anyone who can help out writing up civs should download this archive and extract to their mods folder. Then in CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml <DefaultPlayerColor> can be set to PLAYERCOLOR_CIVNAME (where CIVNAME is the "keyword" I listed on page 1). There's also an .xls file in there with hex codes, rgb values, etc.

They're already done, if you want them.

As I said, check out the flags I've posted (Post 24)
White for Al Andalus, Green or black for the Arabs.

 

[Úmarth]

Oh, those are great. Thank you.

 

[jessiecat]

Oh, those are great. Thank you.

Also found a red one for the Ottomans (Third one, post 22).

 

[Úmarth]

If you're talking about the ones on post #22 AFAIK those are modern flags.

 

[Disenfrancised]

Ok i just noticed that i'm not the right person to create the civs since my lag of knowledge in history is too big for that. I tried to create Hungary but i failed at several points for example concerning the leaders or the cities.

Regarding Hungary, send me what you've done already and I'll have a go at filling in the rest. Need to get familiar with the CIV xml anyway .

 

[jessiecat]

If you're talking about the ones on post #22 AFAIK those are modern flags.

According to Wiki, the red one was adopted after about 1500. Prior to that
all I can find is the flag of Osman which covers about 1300-1500. Still they
didn't start much before that did they? When do we have them spawn?

 

[Úmarth]

Okay, new set. Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

[jessiecat]

Okay, new set. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Looks great to me. I'd only question the Ottomans. You really need
to use the star and crescent for them.
Have you looked at the one in my last post ( No.46).
It's the flag of Osman, their religious flag, used from 1300 until 1500 when
the modern Turkish flag started.
Otherwise great job.

 

[Zipzapzup]

Looks nice but still to many red colors.

And please take a darker green for portugal, its a bit to bright.

 

[SadoMacho]

The netherlands have the flag of Flanders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanders

This could be better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wapenschild_Republiek_der_Zeven_Verenigde_Nederlanden.gif

 

[Úmarth]

Looks great to me. I'd only question the Ottomans. You really need
to use the star and crescent for them.
Have you looked at the one in my last post ( No.46).
It's the flag of Osman, their religious flag, used from 1300 until 1500 when
thw modern Turkish flag started.
Otherwise great job.

Yeah I know the Ottomans aren't up to scratch. But the Osman flag really doesn't fit since we're having them spawn in 1500, and they weren't using the modern flag from 1500. They used the one I had in the original version (red-white with a crescent) from 1450-1800 when the modern one in the style you have been posting started. So in fact the entire timescale of this mod.

But anyway, it doesn't really matter. I haven't used flags for any others, I've used coat of arms. That's the real problem. But I was thinking since the crescent and star is apparently of Turkic origin, and we don't have the other Islamic civs using it I may just use a slightly stylized version of that.

Looks nice but still to many red colors.

And please take a darker green for portugal, its a bit to bright.

There are a lot of reds but I've kept them to a minimum. If you check out the zip I posted on the last page with the colour XMLs and a spreadsheet all the civs have unique values except for two. Which are very far apart.

I see your point with Portugal. I'll change that.

The netherlands have the flag of Flanders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanders

This could be better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:W... derlanden.gif

st.lucifer asked me to include the Flanders flag, I don't know his rationale. Personally I'm inclined to agree with your choice but it's up to lucifer.

 

[Ajidica]

Nice flags. Although I still don't like the lions for Norse. It looks to much like England. Its okay for Burgundy because I don't think Burgundy and England fought that much.

 

[jessiecat]

"Yeah I know the Ottomans aren't up to scratch. But the Osman flag really doesn't fit since we're having them spawn in 1500, and they weren't using the modern flag from 1500."


OK, I see your reasoning on that except that in RFC they spawn in 1280.
Why have we got them spawning so late? If we use 1300, the flag of Osman
would be right, wouldn't it?

 

[st.lucifer]

st.lucifer asked me to include the Flanders flag, I don't know his rationale. Personally I'm inclined to agree with your choice but it's up to lucifer.

It was just a suggestion. I figured that Flanders was an entity before anyone referred to the Dutch, and their flag was distinct enough from France and Germany that it would be a good fit. I'm fine with keeping the orange Dutch flag and COA, though - it makes some of the color issues easier to deal with.

I'm not adamant about any of the flag suggestions I made; I was just trying to get some ideas out there. I think that what we've got so far is pretty good for accuracy; we're just going to have to do something with the colors of stuff on the map - especially since Germany, Austria, and Bulgaria are all likely to share borders and have nearly identical colors. The modern Bulgarian flag is red, white, and a sort of mint green - could we use the COA on a mint green background? For Hungary, as it's got a similar red to Poland, Venice, and Russia/Moskva, how do you feel about red on a gray/silver background, with a dark gray as the map color?

I'm going to propose that we use bright and historically unusable colors for the independents - the aztec green, bright pink, that sort of thing. There's no reason that they should be gray other than to indicate neutrality, whereas we can use a couple of shades of gray for our civs - Germany? Hungary? which we wouldn't dream of using other ends of the palette for. For those worried that the reds and blues are too close together, keep in mind that the flags may look similar, but a larger swath of territory will make the color difference more obvious. As long as we can avoid similar colors for civs that spawn next to each other, we should be ok.

 

[jessiecat]

It was just a suggestion. I figured that Flanders was an entity before anyone referred to the Dutch, and their flag was distinct enough from France and Germany that it would be a good fit. I'm fine with keeping the orange Dutch flag and COA, though - it makes some of the color issues easier to deal with.

I'm not adamant about any of the flag suggestions I made; I was just trying to get some ideas out there. I think that what we've got so far is pretty good for accuracy; we're just going to have to do something with the colors of stuff on the map - especially since Germany, Austria, and Bulgaria are all likely to share borders and have nearly identical colors. The modern Bulgarian flag is red, white, and a sort of mint green - could we use the COA on a mint green background? For Hungary, as it's got a similar red to Poland, Venice, and Russia/Moskva, how do you feel about red on a gray/silver background, with a dark gray as the map color?

I'm going to propose that we use bright and historically unusable colors for the independents - the aztec green, bright pink, that sort of thing. There's no reason that they should be gray other than to indicate neutrality, whereas we can use a couple of shades of gray for our civs - Germany? Hungary? which we wouldn't dream of using other ends of the palette for. For those worried that the reds and blues are too close together, keep in mind that the flags may look similar, but a larger swath of territory will make the color difference more obvious. As long as we can avoid similar colors for civs that spawn next to each other, we should be ok.

As I've just asked Umarth, why are we spawning the Turks in 1500? The
first Sultanate began in 1299, with the crowning of Osman I. Shouldn't it
be 1300 or even 1280 as in RFC?

 

[st.lucifer]

"Yeah I know the Ottomans aren't up to scratch. But the Osman flag really doesn't fit since we're having them spawn in 1500, and they weren't using the modern flag from 1500."


OK, I see your reasoning on that except that in RFC they spawn in 1280.
Why have we got them spawning so late? If we use 1300, the flag of Osman
would be right, wouldn't it?

Clerical error? I had them at 1300 AD on the civ list. Sweden spawns at 1500. I should really redo that post.

 

[Disenfrancised]

Okay, new set. Thoughts? Suggestions?

Looking very nice, I'm a bit concerned about the similarity between the Venice, Hungary and Poland flags. I'd recommend darkening and brownering the Hungarian one, and putting a bright blue band underneath St. Mark's lion on the venitian one as from this military flag:

Allegedly scanned from Norris/Hobbs: 'Maritime flags of all nations', 1848

Re: netherlands flag - the flanders one is much cooler .

 

[Úmarth]

Thanks for the input. I'll carry on tweaking the colours over Christmas and then revisit the others which have been commented on after.

After that I'll start on the civ XML.

 

[Ajidica]

Once you get the XML outlines done, I can help with basic stuff, and mabey I might get better at it.

 

[st.lucifer]

The latest version of the map is up in the map thread. Be sure to pick up a copy.