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To:Carthage
From:Spain

We're glad you've finally seen light and are now willing to help us.We thank you for that.
But we do not understand why you still beg us to show mercy with Russia,we signed peace and a pact with them already several turns ago.

To:Austria and Italy

We can only repeat Carthages appeal to you and count on your help against the British and Vikings.

To:Britain

Leave Spain now and the British Isles will be spared.Your last ally,Vikingland will soon either make peace or be destroyed,so choose the first option for the sake of your people.
 
observations and comments from your friendly neighborhood mod

i was sure that the big war against Russia was started because he was taking out almost whole countires (prussia for example) and was growing too big.
it suprised me that that same action was not taken against Carthage OR Spain, since both have grown past what Russia was at her peak.

i have looked over the history of the allience/wars in this game and it seems that it is MUCH safer to have bitter enemies then it is to have fast friends. just as long as you know how to sign a peace treaty ;)

Carthage values new treaties more then old ones. The allience against Russia fell into problems at the end of the war because not the whole allience was asked to agree to the peace treaty. then Carthage valued the promise to a former enemy over the allience made to fight that same enemy.

Spain the steamroller, has found a reason to fight anyone that gets in the way of its expansion. its one time ally against France, now a bitter enemy. as far as i can tell, its because they didnt agree if/how they would split the French lands.

Britain and Vikingland started out fighting over Iceland, then tried attacked eachother's homlands (with some success) and now seem to be coexisting peacefully and both have/are fighting russia.

Italy and Austria seem to be content being smaller then their fair share, and for it are left alone by the other powers.

Russia grew too big, and got ganged on for it. then was able, by forfeigting some to her biggest enemy to convince the world that it had earned the right to be defended by the very allience that had just defeated it (from who i still dont understand). and it was STILL, even after being beaten up, the third largest country in the world. (while some of the 'victorius' nations were 3 territories smaller then her).

Spain was able to grow, but only having one front in the war (north east).

Carthage seems to have grown mostly on his luck of being allowed to leave his whole homeland undefended (there were turns where spain and Italy could have taken all but one african territory in one turn, with no warning) and of course because he build an overpowering fleet which allowed him to take out Turkey.
 
From Britain:
To Russia:
You accepted none of my conditions and Cathage completely ignored my conditions yet I was willing to withdraw from Russia for the sake of peace. But now you have attacked my ally and it puts my country in an uneasy predicament, there is no way we can cede back 63 while you invade Vikingland. Your attack on my ally was uncalled for and treacherous.

I understand Vikingland provided nothing in your alliance with them. Its quite similar to the situation with Spain whereby I helped him defeat France and he backstabbed me and took a province that since the beginning had been part of the British homleand. However Vikingland didnt take any of your land and I erge you to negotiate peace.

With Cathage once again threatening to invade my benevolent homeland the fleet in E will have to be withdrawn instead of transporting the armies in 63 unless some kind of peace can be brokered with them and Spain can accept my conditions.

To Cathage:
Our attack on Spain proper is not signing our death wish it may however be giving you an exuce to try and spread Cathaginian imperialism. My attack on Spain proper that is whats south of the Pyrennes is an attempt to get Spain to the bargaining table to negotiate a peace treaty. It would have been suicidal to attack the Spanish armies across the channel instead we did the obvious and went for the softer targets rather than sending our men to their deaths in certain suicide. This is no total assault on Spain but if Spain doesnt meet our conditions (read below) it will be. I remind you that Spain has taken a peace of territory Holland (10) which has been a part of Britain forever, this is our native soil. Dont use this as an excuse to spread Cathaginian control to the North Sea. If you want war for petty reasons than so be it and call a spade a spade. This will be a war of pure aggression and imperialism and little else. I acted against Spain to help an ally and retake our homeland. We dont seek any territory south of the Pyrennes and will withdraw once the war is over.

To Spain:
A simple swap 8 for 14 and we will have control over 10. We will have our rightful lands of 8 and 10 and you can have 14 back. These a fair terms which will end the war. You have 3 undefended provinces and 1 virtually undefended within a turns move of 7 of my armies it doesnt take a genius to work out on your budget you cant defend them all nor retake 14. End the war on mutually beneficial terms.

To Italy:
Stay netruel in this war and dont listen to the calls by Cathage to expand the rule of Cathage.

To: Vikingland
Thank you for liberating Holland (10) but i will be needing it back sooner or later.
 
Roddy Im not fighting Russia and my problem with Spain isnt how we split up land more to do with taking a territory thats originally mine.
 
Russia:
to Britian:
Acording to your PM.
You have no way to make sure we won't attack you.
Exapt 1.
We will declear DMZ only for Russia in sea C and B.
BUT this DMZ will work only AFTER you will give us back St. petersburg.

to Vikingland:
We offered peace.
You dind't accepted.
And I never backstabed you...
You never realy helped us, but we did helped you.
Even when Britian invaded our homeland! you signed alliance with her!
Now we given you the tearms, and we have the power to destory your country in 2 years.

OOC
Badly, i'm not communist (I wish I was...) I'm still a monarchy...
 
OOC: Couple main reasons Carthage has gorwn strong over the turns is this: diplomacy and tactics. I was lucky enough to have scored some really good allies, the powers of the Medditerranean (Italy and Spain) so that I would not be attacked from behind. Then, instead of continuing the war and having a huge country to defend and being probably gained up on by the rest of the world, I made Russia a sort of puppet nation, but not really. My main tactics to destroy Turkey fast and easy was to do it slowely and securely. I would not let that have anymore fleets, and the first moves were to seperate the whole country with the taking of Greece, and doing it when the Big Bear (Russia) was at war with other nations.


To Britain
From Carthage

In what way is your war not imperialism? According to my scholars, the home territory of the British are actually the British Isle, not Holland. The Dutch in no way owe their fielty to you. And who said I will take any land in this war? It is merely to aid my ally, and make up for all the time I was never there for them.

To Spain
From Carthage

This is great news! I am glad you did sign peace!

To Italy
From Carthage

Can I count on your support, with that Grand Navy you have?
 
To:Britain
From:Spain

Do you really think you can survive against the combined might of Spain,carthage and Italy?Don't be stupid.I can muster enough armies to give you a really hard fight in Spain,while my Central European troops can quickly invade Britain now the British navy is almost destroyed and outnumbered more than 5 times.Withdraw NOW and we'll let you live in peace on the British Isles.Also nobody believes your nonsense about the Dutch people being eternal part of Britain.
You have proven yourself untrustworthy and a British presence on the continent is far too dangerous to allow.
 
To: Spain
Holland was originally ours before any of the European nations had a hold of it what makes you think you own it. Its not imperialism merely taking back whats mine.
 
I'm afraid it is, Imperialism is defined as one nation expanding it's own borders and conquering other nations/people.

Yes, Carthage has commited Imperialism, Russia has, Italy has, hell, even Austria has. You have too. Do not use it to fort your argument.
 
Yes if I was to keep 14 it would be imperialism but as Holland (10) was British before France, Spain or vikingland may have ruled it, Holland is as much a part of the British homeland as Sardinia (26) is part of Cathage. So I guess you would call your unprovoked attack an act of imperialism. Drop the charade and stop pretending you are attacking me for any reason other than to increase your power. Cathage just what is your reason for attacking Britain?

Spain I dont think I can defeat the combined power of Cathage, Italy and Spain it is utter suicide. But I dont think there is a way out of it. Cathage will attack me regardless of any peace or concessions I make to you. If you want to live with Cathage surrounding you controlling half the world so be it, you cant gain anything other than the return of 14 from this war. What I find strangest though is Italy sending its navy to invade, they wont gain anything from the war just like the war with Russia and Turkey where Cathage gained all the spoils.

How have i proven myself untrustworthy we had an alliance and you stole my province and didnt do anything to help me in my wars at the same time i helped you defeat France.
 
Britain

You have it all wrong. I was not the only one who gained land in the Russian War. Spain gained most of Prussia, and Russia's ally, Spain. I gained the lands of Russia's other ally, Turkey. I took Russian provinces instead of destroying the country out of honor for the once magnificent Russian Empire.

And yes, gaining Sardinia was an act of imperialism, including annexing the other provinces of North Africa. As was you united Britain and Ireland. As was Spain claiming Iberia. As was Turkey controling Greece and the Balkans. As was Vikingland claiming Scandinavia. It continues. Everyone commited Imperialism, your arguments concerning it is deaf, as it is highly hypocrtical.

I am sorry, but according to your faith, assuming you are protestant, I thought you did not believe in the Black Arts. This includes telepathy inwhich you obviously believe you have. In fact, I would be happy to sign any peace treaty that has the acceptance of all my allies, including Italy, Russia, and Spain.

My reason for attacking Britain is to aid my ally, Spain. Sure, I push to gain land and money for compensation in the war, but I do not need it if there is no war. The vast and mighty Carthaginian Empire stretches across many lands, and can afford to prosper without the addition of the British Isles should a war not erupt.

Italy has just as much as a chance at gaining land as Carthage and Spain does. Do not try your brainwashing techniques on them, as it only works on the drones of the British Empire and not on of the noble Italian race.
 
So taking any territory is imperialism according to you fair enough. I guess that gives any nation as much claim over 1 territory as the next. Im not attacking Spain merely regaining lost territory.

If you have to destroy Britain so be it. Im not going to brain wash any country but it is obvious Italy values its sovereignty. Best of luck subduing the British Isles in your war of conquest.


James 2 surveyed his kingdom in the anticipation of the coming war. He met with his foreign affairs and defence ministers.
James: Is our military ready for battle
DM: as ready as it ever will be sire
James: good, we dont stand a chance but for the glory of the British race and all the other subjects of my kingdom we will defend Britain to the last man. Now wheres that foreign affairs minister my father our previous King appointed?
FM: here I am, you know theres still a chance if we signed another alliance with Spain and Cathage we could help them in another was and perhaps only get Ireland taken. Sire why dont we offer Ireland or even london to the Cathage it might buy us a year or 2 till they find another excuse to attack.
James: Behead the fool, first he signs an alliance with Spain and Cathage now he wants another it would be the end of our small nation.
James suited up for battle and perpared to take command of the British grand fleet to meet the combined navies of Italy and Cathage in battle. The 3 rafts of the British fleets would more than be a match for the great armada of tyranny.
 
so i now have orders from:
Russia
Carthage
Britain

the rest of you i still need orders from.

i'm going to the cape tomorow and staying there till monday (real long weekend), so i would like to do the update before i leave since i'll have only limited internet access while there and i wont have the files i use to make the update easier.
i will be able to do an update from there but it will be MUCH harder/longer. so please send your orders ASAP so that i can do it hopefully at home tonight.
 
Is there a NES game registry like that for SG's?

I only really looked at them today and like the style of this one alot. Something like Diplomacy.
I don't wouldn't want to join in one this far along but I'd like to get in on the next one if I could if its this same style.
Could you PM me when you are going to run the next one Roddy.
 
OOC : quokka theres a free spot in neo-nes why not join that 1 (in fact a lot of free spots :( )
 
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