RR17 - Team A

[r_rolo1]

Ok, I assume that the silence is because you all agree with vanatteveldt ... thus I'll play today atleast t1. Just wait a few hours ...

 

[r_rolo1]

Ok, just played up to t1 ( moved everything except settlers and workers ). First , civics in t0:

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Then exploring results of t1:

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May I point to the NE, where there is even more FP than the one we could see or hint about ? ...

 

[vanatteveldt]

The abundance of FP might make cottage cities attractive again, although FP powered watermills/workshops are nothing to sneeze at either. The +2 health from expansive will come in handy.

I still think 1N of silk is the best capital location unless something just north of what we can see now shows up. It has 5 hammer tiles and 4 FP and a wet corn. Going for a city with more FP will probably lose the good specials (plains gold, grass copper, wet corn) and trade in production for more later potential (plus a lot of sickness).

The eastern city might be moved either further east or north. If you feel brave you can move the worker on the hill 2E of its current location. How early are animals here? Barring something spectacular there, it seems moving the settler to the currnet location of the worker is most flexible, but we can also move NE-NE and assume there will be a good spot with all those FP?

(End-game values for FP + levee + ...
... workshop = 3f1c5h
... watermill = 4f3c3h
... town = 3f8c2h
... farm = 5f1c1h)

 

[Sengir]

That's quite some FP's there...

I can agree with settling two cities there (1N of Silk, the other in the east, not sure yet of exact location). BTW I think it's a desert hill gold not a plain gold. Still nice though.

Thanks for the endgame values of FP's. Not sure what to pick. I always feel that with watermills/shops/farms I have more flexibility, but that might be just me (and the fact that I don't reach the industrial era very often).

 

[Thrar]

Unbelievable.

Hard to decide where exactly to settle in the FP area, it's all equally amazing! I'd turn our 3rd city into a GP farm; put it somewhere in there, get Globe and a balance between farms, workshops and watermills to fill all available specialist slots.

We can probably get at least two more cities near that area later, those we could either cottage up for silly money or get some nice production from workshops.

Tech-wise, do we want to start with Steam for levees and worker speed?

 

[Sengir]

I'm inclined to say yes to steam. Levees with all that water around is nice, but the worker speed is essential IMHO.

 

[r_rolo1]

The gold hill is a desert one. Anyway with so much food around, it makes little difference between a plains hill and a desert one

I think that we should keep the original plan ,except we don't move the settler #3 to where the worker is ( see my last post ), but we push it 2NE from where it is now and decide on t3 where to settle if after getting further info from the scouting rifle. That is acceptable ?

 

[vanatteveldt]

Since the capital will have copper, we don't need to settle it asap, so NENE sounds fine.

 

[Sengir]

Sounds good to me.

 

[LKendter]

Steam power - the faster workers more then justify it.

 

[Thrar]

Regarding our economy, what about corporations? Mining Inc in particular could be very strong for us. I'd say that would justify staying in Merc rather than going SP if we can get a GE reasonably early. The SP maintenance bonus doesn't matter too much for now, and we already have plenty of food anyway.
What's your take on this?

 

[r_rolo1]

This is somewhat uncommon to me: finding a neighbour before settling:

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Well, the proximity of Wash changes things a little, but I think that we should continue with the plan and settle a city blocking the FPs for us.... any suggestions where ?

EDIT: New map added below:

Spoiler :

 

[LKendter]

New map lacks the tile tile balloons. With out those, I can't see the special tile.

 

[r_rolo1]

Sorry , i was with the military ones to see where did I had contacted with the Portuguese. Here is the map with bubbles:

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BTW we can trade maps with the Portuguese right now. Should we? They have only settled a city so far BTW ...

And about builds: we can build culture from the start, so i guess that is what we should do atleast in city #2 and 3 ( possibly in #1 too, to grab land against the Portuguese cap ), especially because cities will not start with pop 1, but 3 ( atleast in my test it did ... ). Other thing we should consider to build ASAP is the SoL and the Taj...

 

[Thrar]

I'd say let's do the map trade, it will tell us more about where we can settle. We can't stop the AI from scouting our lands anyway.
Is there an AI near the floodplains area? If so, we should settle towards them to secure as much land as possible over there.

I don't see Taj as particularly attractive at this point; we have no marble and without tile improvements or levees most tiles will only get one of the two GA bonuses. SoL however would be very nice.

 

[r_rolo1]

The Portuguese cap is literally north of the end of the FPs we can see ( see the second pic in the 1st spoiler ). That counts as " extremely close" in my book

Besides, and because of that proximity, getting the Portuguese map would not get us much more knowledge ....

 

[Sengir]

Well, it should show us the rest of the northern end of the FP's giving us a better idea where to settle the third city. It won't provide any details on the east though, so we either have to explore there or gamble.

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, as this is a fractal map, I pretty much expect that the portuguese cap is in the north temperate zone ( while we start on the northern edge of the jungle belt ), with the FP being in the north desert zone :.... we can even see the grassland temperate forests in the northern outskirts of the FP area in the pic where the Portuguese border shows up . That means that north of the Portuguese area there is probably the tundra area ...

If that is true , it even puts more pressure to settling the FP fast ,since the portuguese will not have much to settle north that is worth it.

 

[Thrar]

Are there any drawbacks to doing the map trade? As I see it, they'll scout the area soon anyway, so we might as well get that extra bit of information before settling.

 

[r_rolo1]

No, there is no drawback in trading maps ... that is why I did it Here is our updated map:

Spoiler :

I think that we should settle the settler highlighted in the pic ( the one that is still in doubt regarding our initial stock ) either 1N or 1NE of it's current position. Do you agree ?