RR8 - God in Suburbia

[Chieron]

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Mining stone does give more hammers (but less commerce) than a quarry, right? As long as we don't need stone for a wonder it may be good idea to mine it.

marble quarries do produce commerce, stone quarries do not. Stone quarries are effectively identical to mines on the same tile, except of granting access to stone of course. (plains hill stone = 5 hammers mined or quarried)

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Worker first in any case? It can always go mining if there's no food to hook up yet.

Yep worker first would make sense once again !

 

[r_rolo1]

Ok, things seem settled enough for me to start the game. i'll play today, but not sure if i'll be able to post today ( my router has gone to the fishies yesterday and, since I'm still in my father's house due to his operation ( neither my mon or my dad can pull heavy weights ATM , so they need someone who can ...), either will need to buy a new one ( a thing that might take me some hours if things are not set perfectly at the first try ) or will have to give priority to my little sis "homework" ( yeah, I'll pretend I believe in that crap excuse )...

 

[r_rolo1]

Ok, sorry for the delay, but I'm still without a router and had to wait until my sis dropped out ... Anyway this was a nice set.

First moved the warrir... nothing spectacular was seen, so, settled in place

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Hunting queued as sugested.... even because we got plains deer :/ ( not sure if it good or bad to have it in the BFC ... )

Cruise control until I popped the hut that is seeable in last pic, and ...

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Well, is better than a bunch of barbs

Budhism in t8:

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Typical of emperor with a AI civ that starts with myst ... but strangely hindu is still off in the end of the set. Did we got a map with only one religious dude? That would help things out

Hut luck again....

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Only 5 promos away of Woodie III/Medic III

T13 ... made contact with João ... it was in the previous IBT. Didn't saw where his unit showed up.

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As you can see in the previous pics, I went Hunting-> AH.... decided to end the set with this:

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Some more pics:

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As you can see we discovered some horses to the southwest. The land could be definitely worse, but it is not top of the pop as well

Some notes to the next player:
-The worker is in the cap, after finishing the camp. I strongly suggest to pasture the cow next.

-Just for a reminder: our warrior is healing to the southeast, after some really nasty figth with a lion that almost killed him. Don't forget him

Thy is up, nocho is on deck

 

[Silu]

What's with the deer dissin'? It's almost preferable to Wheat there, since we get Wheat elsewhere.

Would have been impressive to pop barbs from that hut, provided it's in the capital no-barb safezone

The land looks darn yucky for ICS, well, at least there's a really long river. Do we have to 'sprawl' outwards from the capital or can we settle 6 tiles east first for example (just an example, 6 tiles east looks horrid )? What about the vertical alignment, do we have to settle along the same longitudes or can we shift the position on other rows by 1 or 2 tiles? And last but not least, where the boop is our seafood?

 

[r_rolo1]

Yup, it really looks like we are in one of those east-west ( or the other way around ) long, long rivers that sometimes appear in Inland sea maps... that is a good omen. But I agree it is pretty much the only one good omen we get so far

To be honest I definitely prefer either 3 W or E to the 6 W or E ATM One is invisible so far and the other is simply yucky, while the other two atleast have food resources in their BFC, but this definitely needs more exploring.

BTW, given that hindu is taking a lot of time to go down, we probably have a good chance of getting jewish if we want to. Should we try ?

 

[Silu]

Yeah, I prefer those too... Just wanted to get clarification on the rules about the settling order and vertical alignment (3S2E & 3S1W look a bit more lucrative than 3S).

 

[r_rolo1]

I had mentioned somewhere before ( not sure if here or still in RR7 ) that ICS in this game context meant square grid. I should had said that in the rules as well I guess ...

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Got it!

And yes my vote would still go for Jud. Even if we loose the race we won't fall back to far: There are no more resources we need techs to improve, we needn't to know where copper is located as our dotmap is already defined through the ICS, we'll need Poly anyway and with masonry and a querry we'll get enough hammers (thanks to imp bonus) to pump out settlers without the .

 

[Silu]

My fear is that without any kind of commerce source and no gold huts our tech will bog down hard if we settle any further cities, which would be kinda harsh without Pottery or Writing. On the other hand because of that 'Mids is looking very very lucrative though, so that speaks for Masonry and slow expansion. I'm wondering if Judaism is better than Oracling CoL though if we go that way. Going through Mysti and all that jazz is a crapton of investment just for a religion with no immediate yields, compared to early CHs and a GProphet source. Do we really need Judaism?

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

Going through Mysti and all that jazz is a crapton of investment just for a religion with no immediate yields, compared to early CHs and a GProphet source. Do we really need Judaism?

Hmm in case we really want to go for the mids +25% because of OR is definitely worth going for Jud rather than oracle.
And by the way the "Mysti and all that jazz" will be needed for Oracle as well!

 

[Silu]

Yeah, I just meant that if we go through with the jazz we might as well get something tangible for it. OR for resource-sped builds is not terribly lucrative, as +125% is not a huge leg-up from +100%.

One further alternative that popped into mind is going Mono and OR-Oracling Theology Yeah, getting a bit crazy...

 

[nocho]

I'm glad we have a nice long perfectly horizontal river to settle our cities along!

Thanks for clarifying about the fixed grid, last question about that: do we really have to fill the whole grid or can we leave blank spots? I hope the objective is not to have really the whole frikkin' map filled, but starting to know a bit the ideas you come up with rolo, I'm afraid you meant to do just that...

I also doubt about judaism btw. I'd rather get some basic techs first than running to judaism. Oracling CoL may indeed be an option. And stone is calling for masonry of course! Mids sound pretty good indeed. Personally would stick with BW, masonry, pottery, writing in no particular order. Well, maybe masonry first. Good thing about ICS is we technically don't need culture to get tiles under our control (apart from the top and bottom row of tiles and maybe around the coast...), so monuments and myst are not that high a priority...

Maybe would get a settler out at size 3 and then start on mids, as tentative plan.

edit: xposted with the last 2 posts...

 

[Silu]

The point is certainly to fill the whole grid - what was unclear was if we have to settle them in an outwards order (i.e. the closest ones always) or can we leave temporary blanks. Very good point about not needing culture pops

What's the rush to get religions by the way, now that I'm actually thinking? Variant roleplay aside we won't get much benefit out of them at this point. Setting up for 'Mids abuse and entrenching the economy sounds more beneficial to me, considering our surroundings.

 

[nocho]

Ugh, already fearing the end game, having to cycle through 138 smallish cities every turn...

The more I think of it the more I like the mids. I'm imagining those 138 tiny little roman cities with each just a courthouse and then half with a library running two scientists and the other half with a market to run two merchants to pay for the whole enterprise. And with rep giving a sick boost to the overall science output! Maybe just go silly with farms to feed the specialists, hence CS will be a key tech for chain farming, more than for bureau. Then we only need a few dedicated production centers for the military and voila, we can start thinking of RR9!

 

[Thy_Spellcraft]

What's the rush to get religions by the way, now that I'm actually thinking? Variant roleplay aside we won't get much benefit out of them at this point. Setting up for 'Mids abuse and entrenching the economy sounds more beneficial to me, considering our surroundings.

Hmm there is no immediatly benefit in a religion. But without a shrine we won't be allowed to sign any deal!!!!

 

[nocho]

Hmm there is no immediatly benefit in a religion. But without a shrine we won't be allowed to sign any deal!!!!

In come the praetorians...

 

[Silu]

Oh right. The praet option also is made more interesting due to the fact that we can't take peace if we start a war

This is going to be interesting if the usual (esp. on global pre-astro contact maps) happens and an early religion-founder AI spreads it everywhere and gets everyone to adopt it. Praeting the founder would be nice in that case. Also the missionary religions get a bit more oomph since early enough those could be used for converting a nearby dude to one of our religions.

 

[nocho]

Well, we can take peace as soon as we take the shrine, but before our victim switches religion because his remaining cities have another one... The shrine rule does give an interesting twist to this! (oh, more rule questions, by "shrine" do we literally mean shrine or just the holy city? I hope the latter, that gives enough of a twist as it is.... Otherwise we'll have to spam some GPriests before going to war...)

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, I agree with nocho that wanting a shrine in every holy city is a bit of a stretch in a game that has some much constrictions as this one already have , so IMHO we should keep it in the holy city status.

So, , about going jewish? ... I'm definitely not sure on this, especially after considering that the delay in founding Hindu by the AI has the strong potential of making this a budha world . That would be OK after we have the shrine , but is definitely a PITA before that Most likely Mono will come too late as tech out of our hands to make the jewish faith a strong contender for the religious political issues , but risking a budha world that we can't talk to is not a good idea as well...

If we go jewish, should we go Poly first or masonry first? Mids is definitely a good wonder to have in ICS ( other stone based wonders are as well, like henge or Sankore, but those are in far lower importance ) and we even have stone and all, but going Myst->poly first might give us hindu ( I know, long, long shot, but why not give it a go? It would definitely come sooner than judaism in any possible scenario if we can grab it ) ...