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Russian warprisoners at Sachsenhausen.

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A summary of page 586 in IMT VII says the following:

840,000 warprisoners was killed at Sachsenhausen and the Germans cremated all in four portable cremation ovens.

It takes about 1.5 hours to cremate a human under ideal conditions.

840,000 bodies x 1,5 hours = 1,260,000 hours / 24 hours = 52,200 days / 365 days = 143,8 years / 4 ovens = 35,95 years if they were used 24/7.

Which means the Germans would be done in around 1980. :rolleyes:
 
The question is really how large the ovens are. Also, I'd be surprised if all the bodies were cremated rather than buried.

It is true though that exaggerated figures of how many people the Germans killed have been allowed to run free for a very long time. Any attempt to seriously analyse claims eg. that 1 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz is seen as Holocaust denialism. Because a downward revision of the number killed by maybe 30% or whatever makes you a rabid Nazi.
 
It is true though that exaggerated figures of how many people the Germans killed have been allowed to run free for a very long time. Any attempt to seriously analyse claims eg. that 1 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz is seen as Holocaust denialism. Because a downward revision of the number killed by maybe 30% or whatever makes you a rabid Nazi.

Too true.

The ovens used were built especially for the purpose of cremating humans en masse. The companies tendering designs knew this and tried to outdo each other.

Given the efficiency of the Germans I believe these figures. I think the Germans documented it all anyway.
 
Sorry to break it for you, but you really can't get it below 1.5 hours. If it's not in an ideal situation it will take longer. This was not an ideal situation. Cremation experts will agree with me.

Also, if the ovens were portable, I can't imagine them being very large.

Quite simply,

840,000 warprisoners was killed at Sachsenhausen and the Germans cremated all in four portable cremation ovens.

Isn't true.
 
wiki said:
About 200,000 people passed through Sachsenhausen between 1936 and 1945.

What's the source for that 840.000 number anyway?
Wiki says 200.000 inmates total, 100.00 deaths.
 
It's even easier to disprove Wiki.
Note: according to Wiki, I descend from some Roman...
 
Primo, a crematorium oven can take more than one body at a time, since it's an instrument of genocide. When you intend to kill 12 million, you need efficiency.

Secundo, not all bodies were incinerated, and people shot on the spot or executed tended to be buried in mass graves

Tertio, I want the transcript of the claim of the number of Russian prisoners, including the name of the person who gave the testimonies, as well as which Nuremberg trial it was given during.

Lastly, Sachenhausen was in Saxony, Germany, and was a concentration camp, not an extermination camp.

In short, you're being pretty ********, and are going down the David Irving route. I's not anything witty, clever or new, holocause denial has been all the rage since the 1950s, so you're about 60 years out of date with all of this.
 
I myself was wondering why any of us should take someone who's signature says "The Holocaust is a big fat lie" seriously. But noncomfortist said it with more knowledge of the actual subject than I could.
 
Swedishguy It would help if you quoted the exact wording of the transcript. I certainly can't seem to find that section online, and I assume you have seen it somewhere, so please copy and paste it here.

The reason why it is important is that the following links cast doubt on the claim that anyone at Nuremberg would have suggested 840,000 Russian POWs being killed there.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Sachtrial.html

Also the following link which goes into more detail:

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Sachsenhausen/Trials.html

Some excerpts from the link (which appears to contain a transcript from the trial of Anton Kaindl, the camp's last comandant)

Public Prosecutor: How many prisoners were exterminated in Sachsenhausen while you were commandant of the camp?

Kaindl: More than 42,000 prisoners were exterminated under my command, this number include 18.000 killed in the camp itself.

Public Prosecutor: And how many prisoners died by starvation during this same period?

Kaindl: I think 8,000 prisoners died by starvation during this period.

Note that Kaindl was in charge of the camp from at least 1943 and possibly August of the previous year (the only page I can find on him is in German so I'm not sure) up until its evacuation. It seems unlikely that in the face of this evidence that either the prosecutors or Kaindl himself would be suggesting that between 1936 and 1945 some 840,000 Russian POWs were killed in the camp when Kaindl only talks about 50,000 prisoners of all types during 42-45. On the assumption that Kaindl took control in 1943 that still leaves only around 2 years for 790,000 people to be executed before he took charge, since its unlikely that the Germans would have access to Russian POWs before Barbarossa.

Calculating final precise figures for those who died in the holocaust may not be an exact science but I'm reasonably sure not even the Soviets would try to pull that kind of leap of numbers.

The wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsenhausen_concentration_camp

This states the following on the total number of deaths:

About 200,000 people passed through Sachsenhausen between 1936 and 1945. Some 100,000 inmates died there from exhaustion, disease, malnutrition or pneumonia from the freezing winter cold. Many were executed or died as the result of brutal medical experimentation. According to an article published on December 13, 2001 in The New York Times, "In the early years of the war the SS practiced methods of mass killing there that were later used in the Nazi death camps. Of the roughly 30,000 wartime victims at Sachsenhausen, most were Russian prisoners of war, among them Joseph Stalin's eldest son (Yakov Dzhugashvili).

(also supported by other sites such as the Jewish Virtual Library).

Whichever figure you take neither are close to this 840,000 figure you mention.

So I suggest you find the transcript and post it here so that we can see exactly what's being said by whom and it what context.
 
Sorry to break it for you, but you really can't get it below 1.5 hours. If it's not in an ideal situation it will take longer. This was not an ideal situation. Cremation experts will agree with me.
Well, you also don't need a perfect result, you aren't cremating them as a memorial....

Also, if the ovens were portable, I can't imagine them being very large.
Well, if they were moved via train, then they could be pretty large.

Not saying the figures are correct, just pointing out how they can get a lot closer.
 

That doesn't tell me anything.

If you can't provide a date, name of the trial, defendants and a transcripts (and PrivateHudson seems to have done a lot better research than you in all of five minutes), then your point is moot, and there's no reason to beleive you as anything other than an Irving wannabe.
 
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