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"Safety" a different approach to Culture-mechanic

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Fury Road Modpack' started by Refar, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. davidlallen

    davidlallen Deity

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    It turns out we are not the first to call this "carhenge". Wikipedia shows that it is a real place, in Nebraska. It even has a gift shop. See carhenge.com for concept art. Still, I can add a carhenge wonder off salvaging and just use the standard stonehenge building for now.
     
  2. arkham4269

    arkham4269 Court Writer - Orbis Mod

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    As has been harped on before, you might want to try it. I was thinking that a sort of add-on to Safety is possibly taking something from FfH in the way of their Armageddon Counter (AC).

    Now in FfH the AC unlock bad things as the counter goes up. I was thinking that perhaps this could be switched to something like the 'Civilization Counter' to represent how much people feel about the world in general. After 9-11, we saw here in America the attitude of "These are dark times and we need to protect ourselves" and so we allowed ourselves to junk a lot of our freedoms. After the Apocalypse, I would think that there would be people who would think we can't "afford" civilized things like "law, order, trail by jury" et al and so some Civ's would regress pretty badly. So instead of civilization growing back, it falls further into Warlordism and Tyranny.

    So (sorry for long post) you could have the 'CC' that would start either in the negatives or at 0 and certain actions by the different Civ's would lower, or raise the CC. I was thinking that certain Civics like slavery would lower the CC as well as raising cities, raiding towns and other 'evil' acts. In most mods, captured slaves can be used as workers, disbanded for hammers toward a project or sold like in FfH for gold. Maybe you could also have them eaten for a boast in happiness for a city, which would lower the CC as cannibalism is usually rather frowned upon. I mean if the world is going to hell, a lot of people would look the other way just as long as they were clothed, fed and happy, no matter that their leader is a a crazy despot.

    However, certain things might raise the CC and if the CC got higher, it would cause more unhappiness in 'evil' cultures sort of like Republic does. I think no matter how bad things get, if one Civ is that "Shining City on the Hill" it gives ideas to the downtrodden. Perhaps it would also unlock certain buildings or units and maybe even Wonders like the New League of Nations or something that would allow a Diplomatic victory or maybe something like the Overcouncil in FfH.

    I'm sure this might be a lot of work, but it would also allow a bit of "Good" versus "Evil" in the game and might also be used to unlock events depending on how things go. Sure in a game like this, it can be easy to run your Civ like a bastard, throwing enemies into the fire and the like, but there should be a penalty. Maybe you could have units defect (moral leaders) or units go barbarian, (I should be leader, not him!) and obviously if the CC gets high, the citizens will want more comforts, less war
     
  3. Refar

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    I wouldnt like Fury Road to become a clone of FFH. Nothing against FFH, but its a different one.

    I.e. i dont like that Good vs Evil thing. It's very Fantasy. A key element of Post-Apocalyptic setting is the desperate state of no Good and Evil. Just shades of grey as everyone tries to do all that is necessary to survive.
     
  4. arkham4269

    arkham4269 Court Writer - Orbis Mod

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    Neither would I, but FfH has a lot of elements that I think are easy to adapt to different themes.

    Actually after I wrote this, I felt that "good" versus "evil" wasn't what I was trying to say. More of the idea of may clan/tribal versus civilization. Law by fiat versus Law by Laws. One of the major themes of the whole post-apocalyptic genre is that people have regress and become just barbarians with tech. Road Warrior shows the fight between the 'civilized' folks trying to rebuild and the Road 'Mongols' who just want to take what they can get. I mean the gal they raped and killed in the beginning of the film might have had really valuable skills, but they didn't care.

    Plus, as I said, after 9-11 a lot of people said we can't "afford" this or that. Well, a lot of people (like Benjamin Franklin) pointed out that morals, law, and a sense of fair play if you will are MOST vital when things get dark. Do you go out and try to extend your hand to help out others or do you go clannish and look out for only yourself?

    Big idea in evolutionary theory is that a lot of times it's not the big & the strong that survive, but the ones that form alliances. Warlords usually don't cooperate. However, is it 'evil' to want to make sure your people, the ones that are looking up to you to protect them, are safe and secure as possible. In a world of very finite resources, is it 'fair' that others have while you do not?

    So while it's not good versus evil, I think there is a lot of play in the sense of people/civs looking out for only there own selves versus perhaps people/civs who want to recreate, build and ally.

    Plus for many gamers, there is the thrill of playing the 'bad guys' because it's a safe venue to do it. Conversely you have players (like me) who enjoy beating back the dark and building that Civilization from scraps and defending and showing that The Good Guys can win. When i was in Afghanistan, all my roommates played different versions of Civ and we all hated the Civs that just wanted to build lots of units and TAKE what we had built.
     
  5. Deon

    Deon Lt. of Mordor

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    Hey, when I posted a suggestion about the City of Lights I didn't see this thread yet =).
    I'm happy that this is in your plan too since I like this idea/name very much. And when I've posted this suggestion for the first time it gave a lot of culture too since (1) I didn't know about the "protection" yet; and also (2) it had nothing to do with casinos. I thought it could be tied to casinos but sadly I didn't remember the Mad Max analogy when I posted it.


    What about this with a retextured sign saying "Welcome to City of Lights"?
     
  6. Gelvan

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    This Idea is just plain great, and could be used also in standard BtS or FFH. Great idea :thumbsup:
     

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