Saturn Embassy

[Krill]

Spoiler :

Plako says (21:49):
hi
Krill says (21:49):
hi mate
Plako says (21:49):
I'm bit worries that we'll see War elephants and catapults soon
Plako says (21:50):
*worried
Krill says (21:51):
Same here
Plako says (21:51):
We need something to counter them
Krill says (21:51):
SANCTA should finish a library in our capital end of next turn
then we can get HBR in 2 turns
Plako says (21:52):
alright. 100% construction takes 4 turns
Krill says (21:52):
thanks
so by t110 we should both be able to build eles and cats
Plako says (21:52):
Yes
Krill says (21:53):
As to CS, I don;t know when we get it, but if we do get HBR next - and I think we both think that is wise - then we should get it by t115
Plako says (21:54):
It would make most sense to me maybe also to team
Krill says (21:57):
We should also have sugars hooked and sent to you by our turn 111
Plako says (21:57):
we've silk and insence coming, but I can't give exact schedule
Krill says (21:58):
np
thank you
Plako says (22:00):
Would Machinery make sense after Construcstion to you?
assuming you go for CS
Krill says (22:01):
Well
If we go for CS, we'll need funding to get it quickly.
Plako says (22:02):
big empire. lot of maintenance
Krill says (22:02):
but lots of beakers
Plako says (22:02):
How much?
Krill says (22:02):
lemme check
obviously it's changing
Krill says (22:03):
but our costs, which don;t change too much...
(Waits for the thread of a thoasand pictures loads...)
Krill says (22:04):
*winces*
Krill says (22:06):
Total expenses are 87 gold
total base beaker production will be 165 base beakers, give or take by the time we start HBR
Plako says (22:07):
87 is probably close we can currently generate
per turn
Krill says (22:07):
That fits well. We have our cottage city growing, and a couple of coastal cities are just getting, or got their lighthouse, so they are starting to grow as well
Plako says (22:12):
Nice talking to you. I'll ask opinion from the team
bye
Krill says (22:12):
ditto. Have a good evening

Looks like HBR next is our most likely tech...

 

[Ronnie1]

I agree completely with HBR + Construction. Then CS, then headed for Liberalism.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

if we decide to go the music route, a note to saturn might read:

Honored Allies:

We have detected what we think will be a problem in our border dispute with Kaz - we believe that they will attempt to culture bomb our city, probably with an artist from music.

We also believe that they are taking their time getting to Music, as they believe no one can beat them.

We believe that we CAN beat them and have a plan to do so - but it will require some help from you guys for gold research.

In return for this (us getting a free GA used for a culture bomb to keep our city safe), we offer use of our woods III axe as a starter unit for your Heroic Epic.

What do you guys think? This is only in aid of if we do decide to go for Music and not the military tech route...

 

[Memphus]

That looks liek a good starter AT. we will have to send that if Saturn don't come onlien for a chat anytime soon.

Add in:

1. we can win the war if we get music. and Kaz will be crushed.
2. Thsi delays the original plans of HBR and CS, by 6 and 5 turns respectively, but adds to our alliance 4 new techs, poly, aesthetics, literature and Music. Then go on about the unit we will gift for the HE.
3. we need alot of gold from them. like 87 per turn....and it will go up.

 

[Memphus]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8222719&postcount=58

 

[Memphus]

I have ended turn on this note:

For sure that is understood.

The inherent Benfit for your team though, is we go research crazy (see previous pm) and with the ability to get CS in 3 turns, you can see we invest crazy in our research ability!

The longer term benefit is that with KAz out of the way we can dedicate some production to you guys!

Also With calendar I scaled the map and extrapolated. it would take MS ~15 turns to march to you guys. So our chariot should be out htere before they can get to you!

Memphus

Alright. The plan is ok to us.

plako

 

[Memphus]

Spoiler :

Plako says:
hi
Memphus says:
hello
Memphus says:
so i sent the 14 gold
Plako says:
thanks
Memphus says:
then i asked for 10 back
Plako says:
alright
Plako says:
you need them
Memphus says:
we have 2 cities running wealth
Plako says:
?
Memphus says:
yeah after i ended turn, we need 10 gold to go 100% next turn, which we need every turn now to get the music gambit done
Memphus says:
how close are you guys to construction now?
Memphus says:
if you drop to 50%, how many turns?
Plako says:
Had to check
Memphus says:
60%? 70%? etc? and how much gold do you make.
Memphus says:
ok cool
Plako says:
I'll log in to see
Plako says:
oops can't log in. I'm reinstalling
Memphus says:
no rush
Plako says:
I'll tell you when I can
Memphus says:
ok cool
Memphus says:
our chariot is going W to fog bust for you
Plako says:
good thanks
Memphus says:
also i sent silk this turn
Plako says:
We haven't scouted that good city sites in East. If we go and check are there somewhere we could look at
Memphus says:
yes
Plako says:
we see silks and cow and 1 flood plain in SE from our capital
Memphus says:
there is furs due east of your silver city
Plako says:
we see one fur. Is there something else
Plako says:
food?
Memphus says:
yeah can't remeber without checking but there is food
Plako says:
thank you for info Immortal that reclaimed Iapetus could take a look at it
Memphus says:
cool!
Memphus says:
there is also spices and copper close to our border city
Memphus says:
that is further SE
Plako says:
might be too far?
Memphus says:
it is far for you
Memphus says:
might be more like city #12 or something
Memphus says:
once we get musci we block of the land route to you from your SE as well, so you are covered there (except barbs)
Memphus says:
oh btw i told you there is no way MS is anywhere near you right?
Plako says:
arrgh. I was downloading the patch ~5 MB left and lost connection
Memphus says:
our galley just spoted a barb city which ms look to be capturing, it is over 15 tiles away from you.
Plako says:
ok
Memphus says:
so the pressure on contruction is relieved a little!
Plako says:
yeah the power raise stopped
Memphus says:
so i think it was growth and them preparing for this barb city
Memphus says:
so yeah next turn we asked for the 10 gold back, but the tur nafter that we need like ~70
Memphus says:
but i also checked and as mentioned we can get CS in 3 turns once this is done!
Plako says:
I'll check what this means. I think we can run 90% this turn with 4 gold.
Plako says:
Wow. Now I found download site that actually works
Plako says:
12 minutes
Plako says:
others were somtehing like 40 minutes
Memphus says:
haha cool!
Memphus says:
ok but then what % do you need to run to have 70 gold for the turn after i want to find a way to maximize when you get Cons, and find a way to keep us funded!
Memphus says:
cool you download worked!
Plako says:
yes. 4 this turn means 90% and lefts about 100 base beakers to be collected
Plako says:
4 gold
Memphus says:
what % do you run to be +70 gold?
Memphus says:
(for next turn)
Plako says:
20% and we generate ~21 beakers
Plako says:
5 turns with that rate
Memphus says:
hmmm
Memphus says:
ok what does it say you make at 50%?
Plako says:
~38 gold + 52 beakers => 2 turns
Memphus says:
PERFECT!
Memphus says:
if you do that for 2 turns
Memphus says:
we can run ourselves next turn, so you guys get +38 gold
Memphus says:
and get 1 turn away
Memphus says:
then the turn after you dsicvoer it and 38 + 38 = 76
Memphus says:
which then after your turn you can send to us and we stay at 100%!
Memphus says:
music is then done by T112! because 3 turns out you guys go 100% gold, and it works!
Plako says:
Great
Memphus says:
then after we get music we either get HBR in 1 or CS in 3, it is your choice
Memphus says:
we are indifferent
Plako says:
so 90%-50%-50%-0%
Memphus says:
oh
Memphus says:
i thought 50-50 did it
Memphus says:
you need 90-50-50 first?
Plako says:
yes
Memphus says:
;(
Memphus says:

Plako says:
200 base beakers are missiing
Plako says:
sry
Memphus says:
shoot.
Memphus says:
it is ok
Memphus says:
you have a minute to chat to krill
Plako says:
from construction
Memphus says:
he is a micro managment wiz
Memphus says:
i bet he can figure it out
Plako says:
alright
Memphus says:
cool!
Plako says:
bye
Memphus says:
have a good one. thanks again. you asked for the 10 back right?
Memphus says:
we decided that was best?
Plako says:
100%-40%-40%
Plako says:
We'll need 10 gold back
Memphus says:
ok cool! we will MM with that then and find a way to make it work
Plako says:
ok. bye

 

[dutchfire]

Memphus, could you try to summarize these chats when you post them? It'd take rather a lot of time to read through all of them.

 

[Memphus]

Sure this one is easy:

Saturn likes us. they work with us.

We don't have enough for our Music Slingshotm we are trying to find a way to make it work.

 

[Krill]

Not entirely true.

We don't have enough gold to keep Saturn researching Construction and keep the music slingshot going at full pace.

Ideally we'd get Saturn to stop researching but I doubt they would go for that.

 

[Memphus]

chat with Plako, very basic and friendly.

Spoiler :

Plako says:
hi
Memphus says:
thks for the $$ poly discovered! this is going to be funy to steal from Kaz!
Plako says:

Memphus says:
it is getting really hot at that war azone
Memphus says:
our chariot up north where to next W and then?
Plako says:
you see Dione?
Plako says:
There is just one road there
Memphus says:
we are 1 tile E of dione
Plako says:
towards west and pigs
Memphus says:
ok cool any axe or anythign need taking out?
Plako says:
Killed it
Plako says:
was above ipgs
Plako says:
*pigs
Plako says:
+18 gold
Plako says:
next turn
Plako says:
and Construction
Memphus says:
at 70%?
Plako says:
but if nescessary maybe we could delay it another turn
Plako says:
yes70
Memphus says:
+18 works! we have a little pain on our side but it is doable.
Memphus says:
that way the turn after you can send construction
Memphus says:
can't ask you to delay again if we can make it work
Plako says:
ok good
Memphus says:
the 2 turns after that we need ful funding though!
Memphus says:
and then there on for HBR in 1 and CS in 3!
Memphus says:
all techs will be to you before T120!
Plako says:
nice
Memphus says:
we can then get machinery in 3 turns if you want or something else. our teching is getting fast now!
Plako says:
It might be wisest to research techs that others have
Plako says:
to save some beakers
Plako says:
so Machinery is ok
Memphus says:
yeah for sure!
Memphus says:
or whatever cav is gettig now?
Plako says:
yes
Memphus says:
congrats on the new settler btw!
Memphus says:
things gettign easier with the barbs yet?
Plako says:
thanks
Plako says:
we have quite a lot to catch up
Plako says:
barbs are under control now
Plako says:
none visible
Memphus says:
yeah you guys focus on building cities and we'll tech for a bit!
Plako says:
I don't have clear picture where you abd Kazs are located
Memphus says:
we are to your SE
Memphus says:
Kaz is S of us.
Memphus says:
if you picture a star that is what the map is like
Memphus says:
you guys are the north pole
Memphus says:
we are NE tip
Memphus says:
Kaz SE tip
Memphus says:
Cav SW tip
Memphus says:
MS NW tip
Plako says:
ok thanks
Memphus says:
we have a land route to you kaz and cav
Memphus says:
but not to ms
Memphus says:
the city we are bombing effecitvely blocks kaz and cav from your SE land entrance
Memphus says:
which if the map is balanced that leave only your SW to defend
Plako says:
alright. thanks for the info. Sleeping time for me.
Plako says:
bye
Memphus says:
night

 

[Krill]

Wow, this thread not been updated in a while? We should show our appreciation to Saturn more.

Spoiler :

Namaste Saturn,

We bring tidings of good news! We apologise for not sending this infomation earlier, but we only just got round to looking at it; we've been a little busy building pitfalls for Kaz.

If you station one unit on each of the tiles 444447, and 777774444 of Dione (your western most city that we went past with our chariot Gelderlander) you will be immune from barb attacks from the west. The western area is also completely safe from land based attacks by anyone; the mountain range goes from the coast all the way until south of Dione (and from there we don't know). The unit furtherest west is also on the coast and a decent scout watching for MS galleys.

That land is also good for cities, it has a decent amount of food, nothing great though, but we have great news on the tech front. CS is due in 2 turns; we are considering when to revolt, but we don't have a set date yet. A problem arises because if we don't revolt at the same time, then one team saving gold and the other researching is going to be out of sync, so we were considering asking you if you wanted to tech drama next? You could save gold for 1 turn and then research it at a decent speed, with us sending a little gold if need be while we research Machinery. Once Saturn has finished we could go back to you funding us, or whatever suits both our needs.

Drama will be useful so we can both get a GT city set up, as we'll both need one for drafting purposes once we get Nationalism, and it also cheapens Philosophy; SANCTA doubts that either of us will be lightbulbing that tech, so the better research modifiers are much needed.

Some on our team also wanted to send you an update on the war, noting that as fun as it is for us to watch Kaleb gripe about the RNG in the public forum, it might not be so entertaing for yourselves. Over the past 3 turns SANCTA has managed to kill 5 maces, 1 War Elephant, 2 Horse Archers, 1 Chariot, a Catapult, and a Trireme for the loss of 1 Longbow, 1 Axe, 1 Archer and 1 Chariot, an exchange of 640 hammers for 140. Kaz used some rather naive tactics in the war and split their stack, so got hammered prety hard (praise be to the RNG!)

We hope that everything is well in your side of the continent,

SANCTA
Flying high above
Looking at the ants below
Now forward planning

 

[Ronnie1]

Neglect on our part....

Hope it is sent already!

 

[AutomatedTeller]

Outstanding.

Send it on!!

If MS doesn't, why don't we gift Saturn that galley? Help them with defense against a sea landing and save us a gpt - maybe 2, if we are paying support costs...

 

[Krill]

I'd like the galley to ferry a settler over to the spices city. Other than that, meh, no problem with gifting it to Saturn.

 

[Memphus]

Outstanding.
If MS doesn't, why don't we gift Saturn that galley? Help them with defense against a sea landing and save us a gpt - maybe 2, if we are paying support costs...

We are out of MS water now.

as for Saturn we could. but that Galley can get us the spcies city to the NW of FC.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

are we going to piss off our allies by doing that? or will we eventually gift it to them?

 

[Krill]

It's not that good a city, only has 2 spices for food and is already swamped by our culture; if we offer spices to Saturn, which we obviously would do, it's pretty fair. It's mainly better for us because it is close and we have GLH/Collosus.

 

[IamJohn]

Do we want to describe the war with Kaz? Something along the lines of "thanks to the two of our teams efforts our alliance has manage to kill x maces, y elephants, etc in battle?". All they can see is Kaz griping about the RNG, which is although satisfying (nice work Memphus! ) not terribly informative...

 

[Krill]

Sent the email to Saturn.