Scenario Project: The Persian Empire

[Yoda Power]

Yay I got replies.



Chariots:
Ok I was under the impresion that Chariots were still widely used by this time. It seems they are not, so I will replace them with cavalry, stats will remain the same though because they are needed for balance. Then I also have to change the tech tree

TLC:

Edit: Which makes one wonder about that Assyrian mercenary unit. I cannot recall hearing of Assyria as anything beyond a geographical term between the fall of the Neo-Assyrian Empire and the adoption of the ethnonym by the modern-day Assyrians.

I must admit that the only place I've seen Assyrians mentioned as mercenaries, were in a documentary on the Discovery Channel. If they werent used I can ofcause change it.

Lou:

Now, you should be careful with spelling this time (triReme for instance ). Satrapies are very good idea (but they are locateD !).

Well I will have to make a native english speaker go through the scenario when its up for testing

For mercenaries, maybe you could make them cost money while "nationals" don't and make costs really expensive (I know it is FAR from perfect...) or require "gold".

Actually that is what I had planned, just forgot to mention it

BTW trade to money should be limited but silver or gold mines should be extremely generous (that is because of his gold from the Pactol river that Lydus was so rich and that he became the Persians' first target as well...).

You mean that there shouldn't be many commercial resources, but they should be "very good"?

I agree completely with the last conformist about chariots (save for the infmous (probably too much) scythed chariot. I had an idea for a celtic chariot (used by nobleman) that might be used here (though I did not check fully how it worked). Why not give it the "radar" flag. Since it was mostly used by chiefs, kings,... it would of course include scouts. Besides IIRC radar gives a +1 bonus to fight which could show the moral effect of the leaders being present. At the same time the units should be quite weak in actual fight. Just ideas....

Celtic Chariot? This is a middle eats scenario.
It gives me an idea though, I could make a "nobles" unit, whitch is a chariot. You get one every 8 turn or so, it could be something like 3.3.2 and Radar. That way Chariots would still be there. How does people like that idea???

Another one (for improvements I guess) could be the paradaiza (gave us "paradise"). Privates gardens, palaces and harems where all wordly pleasures were gathered and were roses were really developped as a cultured flower). Not sure about benefits though.

I was planning a gerden improvement, but I havent begun thinking serios about buildings yet. Untill then just post whatever ideas you have

Dom Pedro:

Btw, Yoda, as far as the Indians go, by this point, they are pretty much a collection of regional rulers.

At the Battle of Hydaspes, the Indians had war elephants, and from what I've read about Indian warfare (from a book on that subject actually) they had them well before that as well. They also had war chariots, archers, and a number of other standard stuff. Nothing too outlandish. I actually have the Hindi words for these things written down some where... I'll review my notes.

Thank you It would be really nice to get some cities in the Indus by this time. I think im just gonna make one India civ.

Costa:

Yoda: You are progressing with the map?

I startet to make the outlines. I will post a preview later today

 

[LouLong]

Originally posted by Yoda Power


Chariots:
Ok I was under the impresion that Chariots were still widely used by this time. It seems they are not, so I will replace them with cavalry, stats will remain the same though because they are needed for balance. Then I also have to change the tech tree

They were used, just not THAT much. And if Kryten releases it, a Scythed chariot would definitely be a great addition.

Originally posted by Yoda Power

Lou:
Well I will have to make a native english speaker go through the scenario when its up for testing

Cough cough

Originally posted by Yoda Power

You mean that there shouldn't be many commercial resources, but they should be "very good"?

Yes, kind of. Gold or silver mines could have a dramatic effect on treasures, much superior to the trade "roads" would provide. Just my opinion anyway.

Originally posted by Yoda Power

Celtic Chariot? This is a middle eats scenario.
It gives me an idea though, I could make a "nobles" unit, whitch is a chariot. You get one every 8 turn or so, it could be something like 3.3.2 and Radar. That way Chariots would still be there. How does people like that idea???

Sorry, I just said I thought of that possibility for a celtic chariot and thought it could be used here too (the ability, NOT the celtic chariot). Now it seems I mistakenly mixed radar ability and radar tower effects. But otherwise in my mind, they would rarely fight but more act as morale "support" troops.

 

[Yoda Power]

Here is the basic outlines of the map

 

[Cimbri]

Lookin' good

 

[Yoda Power]

Cimbri the Tuborg avatar is much better, og det nu!

More progress(resized to 25% of the original):

 

[Cimbri]

So the map is going to be smaller? I like that



And, hey, the Tuborg avatar made me thirsty. It had to go.

 

[Yoda Power]

No the map is not going to be smaller, its the pic thats been resized But dont worry my own computer cant run big maps, and I dont wanna make a scenario I cant play

And thirsty or not, it's still one of the best avatars ever

 

[The Last Conformist]

Re: Assyrian mercenaries: I think they're better left out. While the Achaemenid army no doubt contained troops from the middle Tigris area, I doubt they identified themselves as Assyrians.

In Persian usage Athura "Assyria" was a vaguish term refering to northern Mesopotamia and bits of Syria.

 

[Yoda Power]

Ok then I'll leave them out. Any responses on Jewish mercenaries?

 

[Unexisted]

Since I made the wonders for the Peloponnesian War Scenario, I have some Persian soldier at my despair. If you want any wonders, maybe I can help you?

 

[The Last Conformist]

I unfortunately don't know anything about them, really.

Herodotos has alot of colorful descriptions of troops from different parts of the Empire. Could perhaps be worht leafing thru

 

[Yoda Power]

Unexisted-I was actually planning on sending you a pm about that when I got down to wonders

TLC-To bad, I will google it later and see what I can find.

Everybody-Unexisted brings up a new topic: Buildings! Im a little weak all I can think of is Temples, Amphithearter(for the Greeks), Satrapies and the improvement LouLong mentioned(which I forgot the name of)

 

[Unexisted]

Ok, PM me

 

[Yoda Power]

nah I got your attention anyway

BTW since the Satrapies are small wonders those could need splashes, only problem is that I have no idea how they could look. I'll try to find a sollution.

 

[Costa e Silva]

Did you do another map?
I remember a diferent map, from Britain to India...
Diagonale angle... That cuts north Russia...

 

[Yoda Power]

Mongolid Cow did that map I have made several other maps though.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Yoda Power, the map outline looks good

 

[Costa e Silva]

About the Satrapies, i have some pictures in my books, i will try to scan and put here... But it's not so diferent of any regular mesopatamian building...
In thruth, the Satrapies are more centralized in the figure of the man that hold the title than the building when they rule the region.

 

[Costa e Silva]

I know the map did by Mong Cow, but the one that i said is diferent... Diferent perspective... I'm searching for it, but i just don't see it in anywhere!

 

[Yoda Power]

Thanks MC

Costa-Cool, I agree Satrapies arent really buildings, they are really provinces.