Scenario Project: The Persian Empire

[Costa e Silva]

Yoda, you right. Greek mercenaries fight on persian side.
In thruth some greek cities of asia minor (west turkey) fight against Alexander domination with own troops... I don't remember but i think Halicarnassus was one...

Kriten units are essential in my opinion...
Hired Hoplite!!!

 

[The Last Conformist]

Suggestion re: the civs list: drop the Massagetae in favour of a generic Saka/Sacae civ; the Massagetae were only one tribe among many, and apart from their role in Cyrus's death, they were not particularly more important than other ones.

(The -sage- bit of their name, btw, is almost certainly a maiming of "Saka"; the name may mean the "Moon Sacae"; Old Persian Mâh-Sakâ.)

One could argue that Scythians and Sacae should be merged as one; they're just representing different ends of the same continuum of nomadic tribes (even the names could be the same; both may derive from Scythian Skudat), but for gameplay purposes I think it's better to treat them separately as you propose to.

 

[Yoda Power]

hmm I see your point. So I should have a civ called what? Saka? Also who should be the leader?

 

[Yoda Power]

The map is almost done, just need to add some forest and a few rivers

 

[The Last Conformist]

Well, 'Saka' vs 'Sacae' is just Old Persian vs Latin. I personally prefer the former, for no objective reasons, but one could argue it's more appropriate in a scen centering on Persia.

Leaderhead? Well, not a lot of Sacaean leaders are known; the Massagetaean queen Tomyris - who supposedly threw Cyrus's head into a pool of blood after his death in battle against the Massagetae, telling him to finally slake his thirst - is about the only one I can think of.

A quick googling didn't turn up any other candidates, but did return a post in a mailing list archive by someone trying to connect the Indian Jats to the Goths!

The maps looking good from the screenie. Only, isn't there a bit to much mountains in the NE? Also, Oman shouldn't be so severely desertificated; it had a respectable civilization in the last millennium BC, and was apparently incorporated in the Achaemenid Empire for a while (under the name "Maka", which in the form "Magan" was used for the region already in Sumerian times). But that's minor points about marginal regions; on the whole it looks very good.

 

[Yoda Power]

I Queen would be cool, they dont appear that often in scenarios. I could use the anciant Theodora head.

There is alot of mountains in the NE, but it's intended, it's to create a natural border rather than the normal one. Oman under Achaemenid control? Are you sure you arent confusing it with the Sassanian empire? I made this less fertile than normal because it didn't play any role afaik.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I refer you to this webpage:

http://www.livius.org/maa-mam/maka/maka.html

 

[Yoda Power]

Nice site

Im not sure what to do with Oman though

 

[The Last Conformist]

Are settlers going to be allowed? If yes, you could just leave it moderately infested by Barbarians, and allow players to try and colonize it if they want to. It could be given an unique lux to be made more attractive.

 

[Yoda Power]

I decided to allow settlers, but first from the second era, and cities can only be founded on Grassland and Floop Plains. Just leaving Oman as a colonizeable land strip seems fine in my oppion.

BTW I read about Cilicia on the website you posted. To me it seems they werent really a state, just some tribes that exportet Silver and Iron. So I thought about just making it a Babylonian colony. Afterall if it was a civ it would only be one city.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Livius.org is great, isn't it?

Well, Cilicia had withstood a Babylonian attack only a few years before the scen starts, so giving them to the Babylonians seems a bit weird to me. Livius suggests it may have been under Median protection, so perhaps give them to Media instead?

 

[Yoda Power]

I'll give it to Media, I admit I wasn't reading it very carefully

 

[Pangur Bán]

There's map already...very like the one you're doing. Here it is if you missed it:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=30568

If you didn't, then fair enough

 

[Yoda Power]

I did know about that map. It's just not very accurate and I felt I could do a better one

 

[The Last Conformist]

I assume no-ones going to be in Ciscaucasia? For the scen, you could make the entire area off-limits by impassable LM terrain.

Also, I do hope the map's gonna be independently available!

 

[Yoda Power]

You assume right. Though you cant make LM terrain impassible, unless the original terrain also is impassible. However you cant build cities north of the Caucasus, and its gonna be filled with barbs.

BTW what should I use as Cavalry? The Horseman from civ or Utah's Beduin Horseman?

 

[The Last Conformist]

You can't LMs specifically impassable? How lame ...

Someone's made a horse archer unit which looks pretty Mesopotamian; might be worth checking out.

The reg'lar Horseman graphics should be good enough for some basic cav unit, methinks.

 

[Yoda Power]

Do you mean Krytens eastern horse archer? If so, im already using it.

BTW the map is released for standard Conquest.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72554

 

[Louis XXIV]

I think Kryten is making a very Persian looking Horse Archer as well as this one. (it has Persian Imortal type clothes).

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
I think Kryten is making a very Persian looking Horse Archer as well as this one. (it has Persian Imortal type clothes).

I think so too, the only problem with Kryten is the time he takes to complete a unit