Science Wizzes....Tell me why this isn't possible???

[CornMaster]

A hydrogen powered car. Before you say "But they are" why aren't they available to the public. I was thinking something like this.

The hydrogen would burn and give off H2O which would be collected in a chamber. Once enough was collected, electrolosys could be preformed and break the H2O into H and O. The H would be put back into the fuel tank and the O could be released into the air.

A virtually infinite fuel source and possibly never having to refuel.

So tell me why this won't work.

 

[stormerne]

Why aren't they available to the public? Vested interests, pure and simple. It's much less of a technical issue. Whenever anyone gets close, they're bought out by the "giants of the status quo".

But your virtually infinite fuel source wouldn't be infinite because you spend more energy electrolysing the water than you can liberate from the hydrogen you collect.

My favourite "water cars" were the steam turbines of the 60s. Wonderfully smooth things that went the same route as paragraph one.

 

[H Tower]

because the oil companies bought all the patents for the engines. they don't want to see cars out there that don't need gas. We'll have to wait for the patents to run out (in another what? 20-30 years?) before we see a hydrogen powered car.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by H Tower
because the oil companies bought all the patents for the engines. they don't want to see cars out there that don't need gas. We'll have to wait for the patents to run out (in another what? 20-30 years?) before we see a hydrogen powered car.

No, you think that oil companies would allow to oil just stop? Dell no man!
They're take smaller amounts of quantities oil or something.
I mean, by what cause we should fight if not oil?
What the weapon industry would then do? You anti-nationalist pig!
USA economy will crumble down if it cannot sell or use weapons.

(OK, there are NOT any sources to this.
That was probably bull¤¤¤¤. But couldn't resist.)

 

[Dell19]

I recently saw something about this on TV about how Ford are researching into build a hydrogen car and they had a prototype but it would cost too much to make and sell it effectively...I could have just imagined this all.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

One of the main concerns with hygrogen powered cars is safety. Hydrogen is more explosive and difficult to store safelythan gasoline.

Hydrolosis within the car is impraticale because of enegy loss and inefficiancies of small scale. Hydgogen can be manufactured at large plats with a smaller enegery loss and then be used as a portable fuel for vehicles. Used in a fuel cell or some other egnines it MAY have a greater efficiancy overall than gasoline. you must add up all the energy (and pershaps other cost imputs) from the manufacture, distribution, and use of the two fuels. In any case hydgogen will burn cleaner. Then of course, there is the capital costs of coversion to the new fuel. Creting new plant to make it, new systems to distribute it, and dmolishing the gasoline infrastructure they they replace.
Currently, for cleaner fuel, some area require reformulated gasoline to hydrogen, in the form of ethanol, is added. But this is only for cleaner, not better energy efficiancy.

 

[kundor]

That's essentialy a fuel cell, I believe. Such things are in development but the car/oil industry will never bring them to market. Currently, they are trying to minituarize fuel cells to replace batteries, which has more chance of actually happening...in a decade or so.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Typical commie "reality" corn, a free fuel perpetual motion machine.:crazyeyes

 

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Juize


No, you think that oil companies would allow to oil just stop? Dell no man!
They're take smaller amounts of quantities oil or something.
I mean, by what cause we should fight if not oil?
What the weapon industry would then do? You anti-nationalist pig!
USA economy will crumble down if it cannot sell or use weapons.

(OK, there are NOT any sources to this.
That was probably bull¤¤¤¤. But couldn't resist.)

so now i'm a pig?
couldn't stop yourself from flaming at me after all this time, huh? take your hate elsewhere! :midfinger

 

[scorch]

corn. thats peptrual motion.

It would take more energy to convert the water 2 hydrogen again, than would be being made.

Sorry.


I think we should be using hydrogen cars thought.... im antipollutrin.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by H Tower
so now i'm a pig?
couldn't stop yourself from flaming at me after all this time, huh? take your hate elsewhere! :midfinger

Hey, chill out! That a was a joke! I even said it:
"[... just couldnt resist]"
Oh well...
Maybe I should stole the Graemes signature:
"Don't take everything I said seriosly: except the serious stuff"

Sorry? I hope nobody misunderstood..?
crap, I must send now a PM.

 

[GeneralHotRod]

The technology of a H2 powered car is very readily available today. We have propane and Natural Gas powered engines which are based on the exact same principle. It just takes a different amount of H2 input to get the car to go.

(I made a hydrogen powered lawnmower a few years ago.)

The main problem is the cost of hydrogen production. Hydrogen from water is very expensive because it requires so much power to break the hydogen-oxygen bond. Another problem is Hydogen is so explosive that special care needs to be taken to make safe enough fuel tanks and filling stations, but the technology is there.
I even saw a hydrogen powered Beamer on TV one day.

Several US gas drilling companies are investing large amounts of cash into technology to strip off hydrogen atoms from natural gas. They have found out how to do it, but it still isn't very efficient.

Also there has been a bacteria that has been discovered which, in low oxygen conditions, produces large amounts of hydogen as its byproduct.

Rest assured the prob is not in the engines, but the production side of it. When that is figured out...problem solved.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Sure piss the Arabs off, no oil no fancy head-dress...