Scotland

I'm just starting out at modding, so am just making a couple of new civs to practice. I've already used Mourndraken's Robert the Bruce. I might release them if I think they're any good.

P.S. Do you have a link to a relevant thread for the Mary LH?

P.P.S. Good idea 702, I might try that, probably more unique than a pub, I mean half the world could have that...
 
He isn't done making Mary quite yet, but you can see his progress so far. I believe it is post #37 on page 2 of THIS THREAD.

I think this looks more like her than any other version of her I've seen, and at least the clothing is correct based on the era.
 
Being a Scotsman I would be against having a Pub as our Unique building.

First Scotland isnt the first nation to love the Pub.
Second im no stereotyping but the Irish are definately more Pub orientate than the rest of the entire world. Ive been to Ireland and by god they can drink.
Third For a good 150 years Scotland DID lead the world intellectually im sure theres SOMETHING you could find that we came up with thats just ours?

Suggestions.

Well we led the way in Economics, Philosophy, History, Engineering. And a number of other critical fields during the 1800s.

During this time a great number of intellectuals in Scotland belonged to social clubs where they would drink and engage in lively debates, pick apart each others idea,s propose theories etc.
Perhaps that could make for a good Unique Building.

I do second the Golf Course as a backup UB. We DID invent the sport after all.
 
I scrapped the pub idea. I was aware of the Scottish leading World culture for a significant period, however I was unable to think of a UB that would reflect this.
 
Uh lets see the Establishment of the Royal Bank of Scotland saw the creation of the worlds first Overdraft Facility.

So theres a building there. Royal Bank. Replaces Bank. Earns a wee bit more money, or trade income. Maybe a minor boost to research.

It also saw the establishment of the Riverfront Shipyards of Glasgow. Another building perhaps. Riverfront Shipyard. Increase production and commerce maybe?

The social Clubs the literati established to debate and get well wrecked. Literati Debate Club. Bonus to research and maybe income?
 
I know this may not sound at the outset like a terribly exciting thing, but according to the history described in How the Scots Invented the Modern World, the presbyterian Kirk and John Knox were quite important to modern Scotland and its contributions to modern civilization. As I have not yet finished this book, anyone with any comments or suggestions regarding the Kirk as a UB would be appreciated!

Thanks, Mark
 
The Kirk is the guy who used to play the son on Growing Pains.

A kirk is the scottish word for church.
 
Ach, it's a double post!
 
We need to come up with a good UB for the scottish module! Sorry to threadjack this, but I am also working on a Scotland module to go with my European Module-Pack, and I don't quite know what to do about the UB. I guess I could go with a Mercat Cross, but everyone does that. I wanted to try and do something original. But unless anyone else has any ideas that might be the best option. And I can't do a pub because Ireland has a Publick House as their UB in my module-pack already.
 
The Kirk is the name for the national Church of Scotland. It came out of the Scottish Reformation, and as such represented a break with Rome and the political allegiances to Rome. Now, I realize that this is contrary to the nature of the Declaration of Arbroath, which affirmed Scotland's Independence in the form of an appeal by the nobles of Scotland to Rome for help if such could be had and were needed, but in a similar light, the formation of the Kirk represented and affirmed once again, the national independence of Scotland, and it was not until 1706/1707 that Scotland formed a union with England in what is known today as the UK (not yet including Ireland).

My point being, that even though both England and Scotland moved toward protestantism at the time of the reformation, that Scotland was still competitively independent as a result of its break with Rome (independence from Papal control) and in its own right with respect to England. England eventually won out in the form of a union, but that was not until 1706/1707, and after Scotland had made its own attempts at economic expansion through colonial imperialism in the new world. These attempts at colonies, while brave on the part of the Scottish people, turned out failures (brave because of the money the common people gave money to the company responsible for the colonies - 400,000.00 pounds - the equivalent of one fifth of the wealth of Scotland!). It was after the failure of the Darien Scheme, and the 'bank was broken' that Scotland acceded to the 1706/1707 Acts of Parliament.

Now, I haven't finished the book, like I said, but my impression thus far is that the Kirk itself was the central most culturally efficacious institution through which Scotland influenced the world. I have no evidence until finishing the book - but thus far I am convinced, and if not for the book's sake, for my own American family's insistence on the Presbyterian church (the Kirk was the origin of Presbyterianism as I understand) as being an important familial Scottish tradition. I don't claim to understand it, and in fact, am a Christian as well as an American of chiefly Scottish ancestry who accepts good people from all walks of the Christian faith as valid, but I have as well noticed the tradition of pipes at weddings here in the states, performed at Presbyterian churches, often with names like St. Andrews, etc. In fact, there is even a St. Andrews Society, and in Duneden Florida, one of the oldest Scottish settlements in the US, there is an ancient church called - guess what - 'The Kirk.'

Its prevalence is pervasive. :) And so is Soctland's ;)


Mark
 
That is a good point, however what building would it replace? The churches (temples, monasteries, and cathedrals) in civ already represent different religions and you would have to make a replacement for each religion to make it "right," and then since you could build multiple versions of them it wouldn't be very fair/balanced either.

Which is why I don't think a Kirk is a good idea for a UB. Not because I think it is insignificant, but because if you replace a church you just get into problems.
 
Hmmm... yes I see. Can you provide some examples of other viable UBs already in existence in other cultures?

Thanks! (trying to be of assistance here..)
 
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