ScoutX, any interest?

[Karasu]

Wow, Alan! Great to see you join

 

[Tallanas]

@Tallanas: "cheque in the post"? You didn't tell me you were from the government... are you "here to help"?

:shakehead:

I am here almost exclusively to hand on SoDs to you in SGs

 

[scoutsout]

I am here almost exclusively to hand on SoDs to you in SGs

Oh dangit. I have a stack of Byzantine Cavalry to deal with when I clean up after a crash in the SGOTM. I knew there was another reason I stuck you on Roster A. (Ted'll tell you, I just love Byzantine Cavalry.)

Roster B is now set. Karasu, you may spin off your own thread at your liesure, if you haven't already done so.

If you're not on Roster A or B, then you're on Roster C with me (except for the one late de-lurk... who is welcome to lurk around if a spot opens up...)

 

[Karasu]

Fine. I will wait for Mad to be ready with the save, then off we go!

EDIT: By the way, is there any additional variant rule to the "no research"? I got a little confused among all the suggestions.

 

[scoutsout]

@Karasu: This is an "Always War, No Research" Variant. (I'm kidding). If you are asking if there are any additional variants, no - there are not. Just 'no research'. I need to find Arathorn's variant thing and link it in here somewhere...

 

[mad-bax]

The way we played it is that the slider must never move off zero, and you may never hire scientists. Ever.

You can still build libraries for culture if you wish, and scientific wonders to deny the AI. Any other research method is fair game.

 

[scoutsout]

Any other research method is fair game.

"Pointy-Stick Research" is sooo much fun!

 

[DJMGator13]

EDIT: By the way, is there any additional variant rule to the "no research"? I got a little confused among all the suggestions.

And what is the status on building versus capturing the Great Library? Should we be unable to build the GL, but allowed to capture it. Or should we be required to raze the city with GL if we happen to capture it (this could put other wonders at risk also)?

EDIT: Cross posted badly with Scout, MB and Scout again (still working on that post count huh Scout)

 

[Arathorn]

It's here, but it doesn't mention no research. I really need to update that with new suggestions and other common variants. Edit: It's there now!!! Along with a few other ideas.

Here's the text I'm thinking.
No research means no research. Not only must your science slider always be set at 0%, you are not allowed to make any scientist specialists. This means trading. Gaining techs from wonders is allowed, so it's possible to gain monopoly techs, even in this variant! Choosing a tech to "research" is always allowed (and encouraged, because it has definite value)...you're just not allowed to actually put any commerce to researching it.

Have fun with the game all!
Arathorn

 

[mad-bax]

Although denying yourself the right to build the GL makes it more difficult, devising a method of "owning" the GL is a really interesting part of the game. How do you time a pre-build for example?

Same goes for TOE. Here's your chance for an SGL.

Thanks for adding this variant to your list Arathorn, and the wording is good. That list is always being referred to now.

 

[Tallanas]

Hmm, imho if you can build libraries, you should be able to build the Great Library. It's just a bigger building in which to put the knowledge you "acquire" from others

Besides, building it without being able to research literature is going to be a real challenge. Why deny yourself a challenge like that? It's easier to forget the GL altogether and try to capture it than to time a pre-build and then attempt to acquire Literature etc...

 

[romeothemonk]

Scout, on your Roster C, can you drop me towards the bottom. I will be out of town until Late Monday evening.
Thanks

 

[mad-bax]

Fine. I will wait for Mad to be ready with the save, then off we go!

I think this game might be right up your street Karasu.

 

[SesnOfWthr]

Besides, building it without being able to research literature is going to be a real challenge.

Well that looks like the understatement of the century. IMO, it would be nearly impossible to time a pre-build, as the AI will often leave lit until the Medieval times. The only thing that might work is a prebuild in a small and/or corrupt town that would give you a large window to acquire lit. Might be fun to try, but I'd hate to see three or four hundred shields go down the drain.

 

[Karasu]

I think this game might be right up your street Karasu.

Cool I thought you would "play-test" it until domination...

I'll open our roster thread and post a link here -probably this evening, tomorrow morning at the latest.

 

[DJMGator13]

MB's mention of SGL made me think of anothe question.

Do we need to do any balancing of SGL (Roster A & C) vrs. GLeader (Roster B). If we, as Roster B, are warring more we could have a GLeader and Wonder Rush advantage over the other teams. However they would have the more powerful armies. I was thinking on the terms of being able to compare results.

Or since we are using different maps, starts and Civs, not worry about any of this and just try to maximize our games.

 

[mad-bax]

Cool I thought you would "play-test" it until domination...

I would if I could, but I keep losing by conquest after about 50 turns. HAve to make sure it's a challenge for the champ and the guru.

Actually, I really *would* like to play this game - but I'm not going to.

 

[SesnOfWthr]

Well, as evidenced by the GOTM/COTM it is nearly impossible to make a vanilla/PTW game comparable to a C3C game. At least that's the impression I get, or else they would have found a way to mod COTM appropriately.

I think the best course of action is to entirely disregard what the other teams' score/actions are, and try to maximize your own teams' experience.

Besides, aren't we using different maps anyhow? That, in and of itself, will make comparisons much less accurate.

 

[mad-bax]

The vanilla game will not be comparable in any way, shape or form to the C3C games.

Whether or not you cna compare the two C3C games which use different start positions and civs on the same map, we'll have to wait and see. I'm going to be brave here and say that I did try to make the two C3C games "equivalent".

 

[Tallanas]

I think in this situation, comparisons for fun will be fine, along the lines of "We did this, what did you do?" But for measurement, doubtful...

I'll be fascinated to see what difference the two starts make, especially if another AI civ has the same start as us in Roster C's game... Comparing us and the Ai will be a laugh