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Omega124
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Voting against the first government is completely anti-meta. There is literally no reason to vote against the first government in Secret Hitler, ever. There's no way you can possibly, reasonably suspect someone is a fasicst/hitler at that point of the game, and knowing the allegiance of the person who goes first is the most important of everyone since they are the most likely to get President twice. You're not the only person to vote No on the first government (and shame on all of you who did so), but you're the only one to have presented an informed decision to vote No rather than simply not understanding why the first government is so important.
Again, this is incredibly anti-meta because what people nominate for government and what they subsequently pass is far more important in knowing identity than merely who voted for the government. Since Liberals have no reason to lie, ever, if the Chancellor and the President ever disagree on the events of a draw, then you know one of the two is a fascist. Likewise, a presidency with a fascist is far more likely to pass a fascist government than one without, because no liberal would ever willingly pass a fascist government given the choice. You might hear discussion of what a Liberal president plans to do if they are forced to pass a fascist policy, but if they draw a liberal, they are going to give it to the chancellor.
Crezth is a she, for future reference.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
And then you already voted no before I could have properly answered the question relating to vote analysis, making the whole question pointless to answer until now. Forgot to add that
Snerk
Smeghead
OK, but your arguments are faulty on several points.
It doesn't make sense calling it anti meta. Call it unimportant meta if you think so but I've never played this game before so how can I know what to focus on?
If voting against the first gov is so scummy then why ever bother doing it as a fascist then?
I did not present an informed decision on the first vote. I was just pointing out a flaw in your trust of Crezth.
It doesn't make sense calling it anti meta. Call it unimportant meta if you think so but I've never played this game before so how can I know what to focus on?
If voting against the first gov is so scummy then why ever bother doing it as a fascist then?
I did not present an informed decision on the first vote. I was just pointing out a flaw in your trust of Crezth.
I'll try to remember that!Crezth is a she, for future reference.
lulz2
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On one hand I don't believe any liberal could make those three wall posts on page two because those were far too well-written and there weren't enough spelling and grammar errors. On the other hand I kinda think Arakhor might be a liberal because gender is irrelevant to him.
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Omega124
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You're encouraging people to vote no on the first vote and to focus on less relevant factors in place of what is actually important to find fascists quickly. This goes against standard practice. I don't know what to call it besides anti-meta.
You can be a fascist and suck at it. It's why I gave crezth the option to pass a fascist on turn 1, if she wanted to immediately out herself by causing a dispute between me and her.
I want you to reread my initial response to you. Pay attention to the sincere answer that's struck out before I gave a more facetious answer to continue the joke
Snerk
Smeghead
You're acting opportunistic as hell here. Standard practice is only standard practice if you've played this game before. And you're putting a crazy spinn on the post where I ask about value of vote records.
Sure but that's not an argument. Why does it make me more likely to be a fascist?
I did read it, and if you hadn't struck it I'd have called you out on it. The way you're arguing makes it seem like the liberals can control in a victory by mechanics alone. That's seems naive at best. We need content. The fascist are the only ones who profit from rushing through a day without discussion. Even d1.
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@Omega124 Do you feel iKaiserElectric could be a fascist?
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I actually forgot to tell that to anyone yet but that is correct. Sounds like PIS to me.
There will still be 48 hours after you nominate your chancellor tho
KaiserElectric
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Well, barring the current argument, we have two liberal policies on the table right now and two people we suspect of autocratic naughtiness. I think it would be a good idea to nominate someone new for this turn, since there's a good chance that whoever we choose will be a liberal and we can start narrowing down our list of subjects.
Omega124
Challenging Fate
To be honest I'm trying to just spur dicussion more than anything else. Liberals lose when they don't talk and people seem shy in this game (compared to the last time Secret Hitler was played here). You and Lulz did really seem the most suspicious at this point, hence the finger of suspicion, but I don't have more than that, as a suspicion. Feel free to point your own doubts at other people.
Because you were encouraging others to do the same by getting into a public argument about it. You were attempting to convince others of you're rightness
Bad content is worse than no content. You're absolutely right in that Liberals win when we take it slow and talk, but you're pointing suspicion in counterproductive ways that actually lead people off the trail to correctly identify fascists.
Not out of the question. Voted no on the first government, hasn't posted much on the thread until literally just a few hours ago just to parrot a popular opinion. If he was a fascist, he's doing the standard "try to sneak by under the radar so no one suspects me" strategy.
Snerk
Smeghead
So I shouldn't try to argue my POV? That's absurd. I will continue to, and also encourages others to do the same.
Dead wrong. It's useful as long as it's content and not that quasi political dribble that Lulz2 is spewing. You're even trying to front a case based on my "bad content". If it's so useless, why are you using it so hard then?
Furthermore, you're just going in circles with this. And I've already explained why it doesn't make any sense what so ever to claim I'm "leading people off the trail to correctly identify fascists". You say vote analysis is useless yet you're building your suspicions on just that: votes.
Look, you think two of my posts were scummy. Fine. Now stop paddling and get on with it.
I agree that we should shine more light on people flying under the radar.
Also, young Takhisian rebel with or without a cause, who is your chancellor and why?
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Yakostovian
King
Ich stimme "ja."
Or, the autocorrect version:
"Oh stone is."
Or, the autocorrect version:
"Oh stone is."
Snerk
Smeghead
I forget, the president gets three cards and then picks two cards that the chancellor then chooses a policy from? Or vica verca?
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