Seedships

[L4Psha]

Have you ever been interested in them? How actually large they are for example? I tried to compare them with shuttles in release trailer and it seems that they are at least 1-1,5 km long, maybe more. But despite their slim shape, their weight must be hundreds of thouthands tonns. Is it possible to construct them even in 2200 and even by multinational sponsors? They using conventional methods to deliver cargo on orbit, so it should need staggering amount of launches to construct such ships, not to count spacedocks and logistics. Of course there must be different types of them, but idea is the same.

Also i thought, how could al-falah construct a generation ship? Ok, they are from middle-east, scarce on resources and they don't have cryogenics. But generation ship should be much bigger than ordinary seedship. How they could construct it?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

The ships they arrive I Imagine are the ships that land during planetfall, they're as big as a ity basically (they are represented by being huge hexagonal ship that lands and like MCV in Command and Conquer girls deconstructs itself to create a city)

 

[L4Psha]

I don't think that it's exactly the ship. In intro scene it is shown that arriving ship is similar to those shown in release trailer. So it must be some sort of drop pod. But because they have slim shape there is no place to carry giant drop pod with a city. Maybe ship drops many of them, but in animation it's only one. just like colonists in CivV. I don't think that five men and a donkey can create a city.
Maybe other ships have different design and have just one drop pod. But it's quite risky to land all your stuff and ten thousand people on alien planet in one container.
Also in civilopedia it is mentioned that colonists disassemble ship to use it's hull and parts as resources. So maybe other ships can land by themselves.

 

[Doviello]

In the RT trailer on that polish video that got deleted, they show the hexagonal-drop-pod-city with huge retrorockets landing on the ocean, I imagine a good part of the initial colony in our capital is made of inflatable habitats. I like to think the ship is slim / long like in the intro, but it deconstruct and rebuilds itself in orbit for landing.

 

[L4Psha]

It will be too complicated. Why you need to reconstruct when you may built ship that will be able to land from the start? And i hardly can imagine how such ship can transform into hexagonal drop pod. I like to think that this slim ships are ARC ships because they feature as ships of other sponsors, and ARC is mentioned as contractor in seeding programs. So, again, maybe other ships of other sponsors land with such pods?

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Have you ever been interested in them? How actually large they are for example? I tried to compare them with shuttles in release trailer and it seems that they are at least 1-1,5 km long, maybe more. But despite their slim shape, their weight must be hundreds of thouthands tonns. Is it possible to construct them even in 2200 and even by multinational sponsors? They using conventional methods to deliver cargo on orbit, so it should need staggering amount of launches to construct such ships, not to count spacedocks and logistics. Of course there must be different types of them, but idea is the same.

Also i thought, how could al-falah construct a generation ship? Ok, they are from middle-east, scarce on resources and they don't have cryogenics. But generation ship should be much bigger than ordinary seedship. How they could construct it?

A generation ship wouldn't necessarily be bigger than a cryogenic one.

What you need for either
1. engines, navigation, hull, etc. the "ship" part
2. some method of keeping the population alive
3. the cargo (whatever makes the first city)
4. some method of keeping it all working/in working order for multiple centuries

Cryogenics probably is smaller (although possibly more complicated/high tech/expensive) than a generation ship for #2

However, a Generation ship is better equipped for #4

A Cryogenic ship would have to be maintained over several centuries either automatically, or by a shifting crew of probably no more than 1,000

A Generation ship has the entire population (10,000+) working to maintain it.

 

[L4Psha]

But it should have an artificial gravity for all those 10000 people. So a rotating ring won't be enough. It should be some kind of cylinder maybe, with sufficent place on the inner side of it. Besides it should have places to grow food and animals, store and recycle water, air and wastes. Ship would be much bigger, i think. And complexity of all that enclosed ecosystem won't be small. Not to count engines, cargo, fuel stuff.

Ship maybe have 10000 people, but they all maybe won't be necessary at all to control ship. I think all ships are able to fly automatically. Crew maybe needed only to resolve problems and some sitiations.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

I just assumed that the long ships with the spinning wheels that we see in the opening cinematic are the motherships which go from earth to the new planet. Once in orbit around the new planet, the motherships drop the colony pods down to the planet. The hexagonal pods that descend and form your first city at the beginning of the game, are those colony pods that have descended from the mother ship in orbit.

 

[L4Psha]

If it was so easy, i wouldn't started this thread.

 

[Galgus]

But it should have an artificial gravity for all those 10000 people. So a rotating ring won't be enough. It should be some kind of cylinder maybe, with sufficent place on the inner side of it. Besides it should have places to grow food and animals, store and recycle water, air and wastes. Ship would be much bigger, i think. And complexity of all that enclosed ecosystem won't be small. Not to count engines, cargo, fuel stuff.

Ship maybe have 10000 people, but they all maybe won't be necessary at all to control ship. I think all ships are able to fly automatically. Crew maybe needed only to resolve problems and some sitiations.

This is making me think that Al Fallah should start with more population than other sponsors, though the other UA's would need to be upgraded with that.

Perhaps they could all start with some bonus default alongside the normal permanent bonuses?

Brasilia could have a Soldier, Polystralia a Trade Depot, and Franco-Iberia a free social policy.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

If it was so easy, i wouldn't started this thread.

Well, what I call the motherships definitely would take a long time to construct. We see multiple rocket launches into space in the intro. The sponsors would have had to launch the various components of the mothership into orbit on a big rocket, similar to what we've done to construct the ISS. Once the components are in orbit, it would take a lot of space walks to assemble the motherships. Presumably, robots would be used to do the actual assembly with astronauts supervising and controling the robots. Then, you would have to do many rocket launches to get all your supplies up to the mothership.

In the case of Al Falah, her mothership would have had to been more "traditional", with living quarters for the crew, storage space for food, water and tools, an exercise space, an eating space, an educational space, a healthcare space, basically all the things that you would need to keep a small population functioning for a long journey. Whereas the other sponsors that uses cryogenics could save some space because they would only need space for the cyro tubes and the power to maintain them for the journey.

 

[L4Psha]

I'm pretty sure that all ships have near 10000 passengers. Hutama said in his interview that they are sending 10000 colonists.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

This is making me think that Al Fallah should start with more population than other sponsors, though the other UA's would need to be upgraded with that.

Since Al Falah has limited space and resources but a multi-decade long journey they would have to implement tight population controls. basically, they would have to strictly maintain 0% population growth. People could only have babies to replace those who die.

 

[L4Psha]

Well, what I call the motherships definitely would take a long time to construct. We see multiple rocket launches into space in the intro. The sponsors would have had to launch the various components of the mothership into orbit on a big rocket, similar to what we've done to construct the ISS. Once the components are in orbit, it would take a lot of space walks to assemble the motherships. Presumably, robots would be used to do the actual assembly with astronauts supervising and controling the robots. Then, you would have to do many rocket launches to get all your supplies up to the mothership.

In the case of Al Falah, her mothership would have had to been more "traditional", with living quarters for the crew, storage space for food, water and tools, an exercise space, an eating space, an educational space, a healthcare space, basically all the things that you would need to keep a small population functioning for a long journey. Whereas the other sponsors that uses cryogenics could save some space because they would only need space for the cyro tubes and the power to maintain them for the journey.

I wrote about that in my first post. And all of this is obvious.

 

[L4Psha]

Since Al Falah has limited space and resources but a multi-decade long journey they would have to implement tight population controls. basically, they would have to strictly maintain 0% population growth. People could only have babies to replace those who die.

Well, of course. But nevertheless it's 10000 people and all of them must eat and drink. You should have where to grow plants, and to recycle water and other stuff, as i wrote. All of that makes ship much bigger and i think much difficult to construct in terms of delivering parts in the orbit. And we are talking about low on recources middle-east which cannot afford cryogenics. That seems a little strange to me.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

I wrote about that in my first post. And all of this is obvious.

Well, I am note sure what you are asking then. I thought you started this thread to ask us what our thoughts were on the seeding process, specifically how Al Falah could construct a generational ship. So, I gave you my initial thoughts.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Well, of course. But nevertheless it's 10000 people and all of them must eat and drink. You should have where to grow plants, and to recycle water and other stuff, as i wrote. All of that makes ship much bigger and i think much difficult to construct in terms of delivering parts in the orbit. And we are talking about low on recources middle-east which cannot afford cryogenics. That seems a little strange to me.

No doubt, it would be a huge undertaking. If the Middle East is still rich in oil after the Great Mistake, maybe Al Falah was able to just buy what she needed to construct her ship from other sponsors? Countries like Dubai are very small but very rich and are able to build huge skyscrapers by importing everything they need. It is also possible that the sponsors like ARC and Franco-Iberia left a lot of their space program behind when they left. So, maybe Al Falah was able to make use of technologies and resources left behind?

Also keep in mind that cryogenics may be more complicated a tech. Today, we have the tech for a generational ship but we do not have the tech for cryogenics.

 

[L4Psha]

Well, I am note sure what you are asking then. I thought you started this thread to ask us what our thoughts were on the seeding process, specifically how Al Falah could construct a generational ship. So, I gave you my initial thoughts.

Sorry. It is so. And there some problems with that. How presumably poor sponsor could construct a ship which must be much more compliated in other terms rather than cryogenics.
And of course i like to know you thoughts, but those were just straightforward and obvious. And there is some problems with them too.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Sorry. It is so. And there some problems with that. How presumably poor sponsor could construct a ship which must be much more compliated in other terms rather than cryogenics.

Building a generational ship would be easier tech wise than building a cryogenics ship. Today, we have the tech to build a generational ship but not a cryogenics ship. And, as a speculated in my previous thread, if the middle east still has oil after the great mistake, Al Falah might actually be a very rich sponsor. Just look at small counties today like Dubai.

 

[L4Psha]

No doubt, it would be a huge undertaking. If the Middle East is still rich in oil after the Great Mistake, maybe Al Falah was able to just buy what she needed to construct her ship from other sponsors? Countries like Dubai are very small but very rich and are able to build huge skyscrapers by importing everything they need. It is also possible that the sponsors like ARC and Franco-Iberia left a lot of their space program behind when they left. So, maybe Al Falah was able to make use of technologies and resources left behind?

Also keep in mind that cryogenics may be more complicated a tech. Today, we have the tech for a generational ship but we do not have the tech for cryogenics.

Maybe, but how then INTEGR and NSA built their ships (but i'm think that new sponosrs built just one)?
And of course they left technologies. They didn't send out all their entire population in space, just a handful of colonists.