So, I am playing Augustus as Carthage with 14 settlements. I have the +1 Settlement Limit Memento also. I ended antiquity and went into exploration as Chola. Kept the memento and picked up the legacy that gives a plus 2 settlement limit. My settlement limit in Exploration is 13. Is that right? It doesn't really tell you the calculation they use anywhere in-game(like a calculation they use for your specific game, not the Civilopedia or anything) that I can find. That doesn't feel right. It makes me kind of not want to finish this playthrough because I had planned to expand even more, but now that is being crippled and I think it's not even supposed to be, but I'm not positive. Why can't the game tell you how they are calculating YOUR SPECIFIC limit? Or do I just not know where to find that information?
Settlement Limit?
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stealth_nsk
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You have very high settlement limit for this stage of the game.
Bear in mind that the limit is very soft, so you totally could (and often should) go above it.
Bear in mind that the limit is very soft, so you totally could (and often should) go above it.
I thought the base limit in exploration was 12? So shouldn't it be at least 16 now? 12 plus 2 from memento plus 2 from legacy?
stealth_nsk
Deity
I play on standard maps and standard speed and base exploration limit is 8. However, it can't be lower than your limit in antiquity, so if you pumped it in antiquity to, for example, 9, that will be your base exploration limit.
stealth_nsk
Deity
With memento, plus settlement limit from city-state, you could end antiquity with 10 as Carthage. So, with +2 from legacy and +1 from memento in exploration, 13 looks exactly right without wonders.
You know, I think I'm thinking of the limit I typically end exploration with as 12(without boosting it with memento or city state ect) now that I think about it more. I just wish this was all easier to find in game. Thanks everyone.
There is a bit of a bug where your new Base Settlement limit is the higher of the standard (8) and your current (9) in your case. (instead of resetting all to the standard)
The memento gives 1 per age (so 2)..the first is double counted.
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I don't think this is a bug. It seems quite intentional to me. If it were not for this mechanism, you could be perfectly fine at the end of an age sitting at your settlement limit and then be thrown into a deep hole at the beginning of the next age, when you are suddenly much above your limit. Also, with the memento, nothing is double counted when you internalize the rule that everything is applied to the maximum of standard settlement limit and you old settlement limit on age transition. So +2 settlement limit of the memento is really +2 compared to the alternate scenario in which you did not equip the memento.
If anything, the +1 settlement limit in the leader attribute tree are counted multiple times if you manage to unlock them early. If you manage to get +1 settlement limit in antiquity, the bonus will be applied 3 times. Once immediately and then once at each age transition.
But yes, the game should really tell you that. So it is a documentation bug.
Except all sources of Settlement limit Are under the Level for the next age OR carry over
Max Civ+regular settle Limit bonuses (not Counting Mementos/Attributes/Leaders/Wonders which all carry over... unless you unenable a Memento.. not counting CS which you would lose)
Antiquity 8...which is the minimum for Exploration
Exploration 16 (unless Mongols or Fealty... which makes Fealty way too good)
This also means the double counting (of Attributes/Wonders/Mementos and Leader bonuses) only works with high Settlement Limit civs
If you are sitting at your settlement limit at the end of an age, and they didn't double count, the only way it would go down is
1. unequip Civica Memento
2. CS bonus Settlement Limit
3. Fealty
or
4. Mongols
#1 is choice, and 2-4 are unique bonuses all limited to 2 extra
stealth_nsk
Deity
And why it's a problem?
Mostly because it leads to the settlement limit being a non issue in certain cases (as opposed to a soft cap) and makes those overly powerful.
stealth_nsk
Deity
You use mementos in 2 ages to get +2 settlement limit, which looks like a fair compensation. There are other pretty strong mementos which have comparable strength and are sometimes directly cumulative (like the ones giving leader attributes).
Mementos in 2 ages gives you +3 (+1 antiquity and +2 exploration…) if you use it in 3 ages you get +6. (what Xerxes gets by end game)
The others give you something that you spend (attribute point, lump sum gold, etc.)
stealth_nsk
Deity
Are you sure about this? Maybe I didn't follow your logic.
Case 1: No mementos. You start antiquity with 3, have 8 limit by the end of antiquity, start exploration with 8.
Case 2: Mementos in both eras. You start antiquity with 4, have 9 limit by the end of antiquity, start exploration with that 9 plus memento and as a result - 10.
Where the third comes from?
Civica Memento gives 1 per Age
Exploration you start with 9 (assuming cert civs..and only certain ones) and add +2 with The Civica Memento (Exploration it gives +2, Modern it gives +3 for a total of +6)
stealth_nsk
Deity
Oh, I see now. On one hand it's logical, because if you add it for later age, you want more from it. On the other hand, it's quite big.
I still don't know how big the problem is, though. I'm playing peacefully and I could totally live without this memento. For aggressive conquest it's probably more important...
I don't play with mementos, and settlement caps are a penalty, but you learn to live with them. There's enough sources of happiness that my cities are very rarely underwater, and if I end up losing production from town, so be it, that's the penalty.
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