SG for people wanting to move up to prince/improve their game

[EwIck]

update:

settled in place like discussed, build worker, research agriculture/mining->BW

- Buddism founded on turn 7
- Our first neighbour, rather close - Wang - met on turn 9

- Warrior fought a bear, I've left him unpromoted ATM. I wanted to explore some more and figured I'd use the promotion if running into barbs again, did not occur.

We have some ivory, marble, wine and gold in the area, that's good
And Wang is so close, we can take him out before turn 100 and get it all

 

[mrt309]

In my opinion an early rush on Wang is inevitable. Koreans start with Mysticism. But Wang didn't get Buddhism. He may be going for Hinduism. It makes his cities' cultural defenses stronger. He is protective also. We shouldn't be too late to attack.

After growing capital to size 3, we can start building settler. After farming corn, worker should go to chop and mine riverside plain hills.

Tech path: AH - Pottery - Writing.

 

[mlinneak]

Looks great so far
Nice set, EwIck. Definitely agree that settling in place was the right move with no seafood in sight. We may be commerce poor starting out, but it looks like there are 7 grassland tiles we can cottage so we may have a really nice bureaucracy capital.
If we are going to rush WK, we are going to need BW and a settler to grab copper if none appears in our BFC, I would hold off on pottery and writing.
After BW is in, if copper is not close by enough to make an axe rush feasible we *could* try AH for either a chariot rush or HA rush, though by that point chariots may be obsolete.
I can try a tentative dotmap when I get home from work, which will likely have to be changed once we learn where copper is.
Another warrior to scout additional territory would be helpful as well.

 

[Cialite]

I made a dotmap based on the land we can see so far, although my paint skills are somewhat lacking

I think red would be a good spot to settle on as it would be a great commerce city, plus its right next to Korea, and he might even try to found a city there. The green dot south of where Seoul is, looks like it would be good for production due to the hills and cattle, although I can't see enough to be sure. Not sure about orange, maybe a good GP farm? I think city specialisation is something I need to work on, so i'll see what you guys think.

and this could all change depending on where copper appears(if it does at all)

But I do think we need to (axe?)rush Korea asap. Otherwise he'll box us in, and build up archers, and make it alot harder to do, with his protective trait.

 

[EwIck]

Ok I forgot to mention that hinduism was also founded (IIRC, will check the save when I get home), and not by wang.

Also note that we don't need axes to rush wang. It's doable with archers if we don't reveal copper. But we'd have to focus on that asap. [EDIT] oh right... he's protective, forgot about that :/ [/EDIT] Keep in mind that with wang out of the way, we can spend much time after that settling our new cities.

The commerce city you suggested looks damn fine to me. Not too sure about the gold city yet, we'll need to see what the other tiles around it are. The north of the capital can be left alone for a while, it looks like all jungle - we're apparently below the equator) and it LOOKs like a corner land up there, with land expanding NW, but I could be wrong.

 

[EwIck]

by the way, I think it'd be better to mark stuff with the strategy layer rather than paint, so others can see the signs and lines in-game when it's their turn (and edit them of course.)

 

[Cialite]

Oh yeah, good point, except that it doesn't let you make signs for things in the unexplored parts of the map(eg Seoul) although I guess I can just draw arrows.

I really hope we get copper! But if not, we could go straight to IW in the hopes of doing a swordsman rush(Which probably wouldn't be as efficient as an axemen rush). Although that would mean putting AH on hold..

 

[mrt309]

I like the city locations that Cialite chose and prepared a dotmap based on it. Red city seems like the priority. A very strong commerce city and it also grabs marble. Yellow city grabs gold and is more like a production city. First we need to see other 3 tiles. We surely need to explore more before determining Blue city's location.

 

[Cialite]

Yeah I think we need to get BW, then see if copper is anywhere nearby and then decide what to do,if none, settle the second (red) city to stop Korea from getting it. and go for IW

If we do get copper, connect it asap, then build up axemen and rush Korea.

 

[mlinneak]

This is an alternative dot map, and just to enable some discussion. I moved Red Dot north on square in this dot map, doing this gives up one flood plains for one plains tile, but it also brings two ivory resources into the fat cross. We should discuss whether losing one flood plain for one plains is worth being able to work both ivory tiles.

Moving Red Dot north also allows for two cities south, grabbing the wine and the marble and being fed by cows.

It pushes yellow dot north as well - in my pics it's kind of a lime green. Tiles around that potential city site remain unknown but moving one north removes a useless desert tile from the fat cross.

Screen shots spoilered due to size ~

Spoiler :

What do you guys think? We still may have to completely reconfigure once BW is learned and we can spot copper, or even when our scouting is more complete.

 

[EwIck]

yeah, I agree more of the second red city placement, marble shouldn't be a priority as of yet
otherwise I'm not too fond of the other city locations (need to see more of the map). I've learned to pack my cities more and not be afraid of overlapping. Except for the red city, that's the one that will likely develop to its full 21 tiles
I think our second city should be red, and act as a gateway towards our takedown of wang, which will be very soon

 

[mrt309]

I still think red city will be stronger 1E of rice. Because ivory tile only gives 1F/3H/1C. But marble gives 1F/3H/2C and flood plains very valuable with a town on it. Also if there is no another food tile in yellow city's bfc, cow on plains can't feed the city. It only gives 3 foods. I am not sure of it but we may have a chance to complete The Oracle with marble after building an army for early rush. That makes marble important. A free tech(Metal Casting or Code of Laws) via The Oracle is a good advantage.

 

[EwIck]

yes however, leaving that flood plains to the blue city will allow more food to that city, it could have two farmed flood plains, and the cow, plus farmed grasslands with civil service and turn into a nice workshop city eventually. otherwise, that city will be half decent at best and we'd be better off not using the land at all

 

[Cialite]

Yeah I do like the dotmap mlinneak drew, mainly because of the fact that it allows for decent citys south of it, as red pushed them down too far into the tundra and took all the good squares.

But isn't that orange one on water? I'm not sure, it just looks like it is.

 

[EwIck]

I think it is. We'll have to see. But even if it is, if there's seafood there, it makes a decent commerce/production (naval) city 1W of suggested, leaving the cow to the blue city of course

 

[mrt309]

What do you think about food in yellow city? Plains cow gives 3 foods.

 

[mlinneak]

Dark Purple in the northeast and Orange in the southeast are purely speculative and will depend greatly on scouting the coastal areas. Even if they are moved a tile or two, they should make nice fishing villages and should be considered filler cities unless seafood is revealed.

Yellow city is not fully scouted either, and may reveal either additional food or other resources. Also, I think there may be a river on the western edge.

 

[EwIck]

well, cialite, could you play the next 8 turns until BW so we stop arguing and get this going?

 

[Cialite]

Will do.

 

[Cialite]

T21. Hinduism FIDL. also moved worker to corn, to farm it. And Warrior east to check outr the hills north, so we have a higher chance to see copper straight away

T22. Run into a lion, but luckily it does not attack

23. it attacked this turn, but we won without any injury

24. See the coast, no resources, urgh

25. Move the warrior back inland to investigate yellow city

26 -

27 - Warrior finished, I begun on a settler as we'd hit size 3 as mrt309 suggested. Worker in position to chop plains forest for settler.

28 - BW discovered, begun on AH. We have copper south, just outside of Mecca's borders.

However, this now forces us to found the second city elsewhere from Red. Mecca's borders will expand but that's obivously too long to wait.

It's also slightly annoying, as none of our city plans had this square in there initial borders.