SGOTM 01 - V Q

[eektor]

Hey about the religion, I mentioned it in my report too. The dates are off on the official turn log too and it seems like the turn log skipped the beginning turns.

I wouldn't worry about getting archery. Instead our next city should be in the copper and then we can build spearmen or axeman to protect the cities for now until we can extort archery and others from Cathy or trade with the other civs we encounter.

As for defense, since St. Petersburg can serve as a road block and with a constant stream of chariots we shouldn't have to worry too much about defense, although keeping two chariots there would be good until the russians are almost finished.

Oh also the copper isn't being watched so sending a warrior or chariot over to check and see if its not being worked again is a good idea. If you plan on taking Rostov right away, its not a problem but if you wait for at least 6 chariots might want to make sure they don't hook up the copper.

Does Memphis have enough food to sustain those hills? We should irrigate if needed....

Yes it does with 1 food left over to grow IIRC. It is one away from the happiness limit too. The cows generate a lot of food as well as hammers so that helped a lot.

 

[namliaM]

Hey about the religion, I mentioned it in my report too. The dates are off on the official turn log too and it seems like the turn log skipped the beginning turns.

I have thought about it a little. Actually we are first in the 'rotation'. So anything we persive as happening 'this' turn, in regards of building a wonder or founding a religion. It actually happened the previous turn.

I wouldn't worry about getting archery. Instead our next city should be in the copper and then we can build spearmen or axeman to protect the cities for now until we can extort archery and others from Cathy or trade with the other civs we encounter.

Agree, Axe are just as effective... As are some warriors...

Oh also the copper isn't being watched so sending a warrior or chariot over to check and see if its not being worked again is a good idea. If you plan on taking Rostov right away, its not a problem but if you wait for at least 6 chariots might want to make sure they don't hook up the copper.

Thats hoping Cathy doesnt have another source of Copper

Yes it does with 1 food left over to grow IIRC. It is one away from the happiness limit too. The cows generate a lot of food as well as hammers so that helped a lot.

Good I was just wondering....

 

[Maquis]

Am I up for 20 or 10 turns?

As Greyfox mentioned, 20 turns for all the first round.

What does everyone think would be a good turnset after this round? This being Epic, 10 turns doesn't get much done, unless in a war.

We could go to 15 turns (might end on some screwy years) or even stay at 20 for another round?

I'll like to hear from all. I can't really comment on the pace right now, since all I did was the start...

 

[eektor]

I would suggest 15 turns. I'm guessing after the next turnset we might have one captured city and another city founded which will slow the pace a bit. Although if we keep it at 20 turns, it would help us to finish the game faster than everyone else, if that's what we are aiming for (you know with our names being VQ).

 

[namliaM]

In Epic everything is times 1.5 right? Atleast worker turns are... lets keep the set(s) at that ....

As for Cathy, take Petersburg and remove Rostov. Then peace for some techs? Maybe pillage a little first?

Also I would build an additional warrior or two before hooking up any bronze or Iron just for cheap defense....

one of the next techs would be Iron I think for chopping Jungle?! And Getting Math? For the extra Great engineer points of the Gardens?

 

[ChrTh]

Do we really want to leave Cathy with just one (prime real estate) city? I rather just eliminate her -- especially before she meets other Civs. Remember, she might get friendly with one of them, and when we do decide to take her out -- BAM -4 You Declared on Our Friend!

 

[namliaM]

Moscow will probably have heavy defenses and will have high Cultural aid... Possibly to much for us to handle any time soon.

Taken from the XML
<City>TXT_KEY_CITY_NAME_MOSCOW</City>
<City>TXT_KEY_CITY_NAME_STPETERSBURG</City>
<City>TXT_KEY_CITY_NAME_NOVGOROD</City>
<City>TXT_KEY_CITY_NAME_ROSTOV</City>
Re: this pic View attachment 126778 taken by eektor, we can see St. Petersburg and Rostov. Moscow is offcourse there and where is Novgorod?? Yeah...
Assuming the culture on the sugar is indeed from Moscow, there must be another city around due south of Petersburg somewhere?!

So we have 2 more cities to go after Petersburg.
1) We try to find Novgorod (have to go around? Moscow? possibly with lots of jungle losing the 2 move of the chariot), take/raze it and see where we are
2) We pause after Petersburg for 10 turns (not all that much I think), building some Axe (4?) and more sacrificial Chariots... And we push hard thru Moscow and get Novgorod easy like.

We want to keep both Moscow (capitol is allways nice) and petersburg. Then we want to build 2 more cities I think.
1) Copper town
2) Fish/clam town

This means we will have
1)Thebes
2)Memphis
3)Petersburg
4)Moscow
5) and 6)

which I think will be the limit ? Untill we can get to CoL?

We have plenty of workers, so cottage away I say... We need the Coin

 

[namliaM]

Oh I forget to mention, I dont like keeping Petersburg...

I would much prefer to develop that patch of desert into something usefull (like a city) It would grab everything and be a 'bridge' for our ships in the future.

Alltho I dont know how we would fill out our cities...

Also Petersburg looks like a defenders nightmare... Tho its on a hill (which is nice, but for now no good to our chariots) it is also surrounded by jungle (by the looks of it) possibly hills? Nice terrain for attackers from (presumed to be) Moscow to use to their defensive bonus which we dont get with the Chariots....

Just my 2cnt (which must be adding up by now to 2 dollar?? But wurth less than nothing probably...)

 

[ChrTh]

It's a tradeoff: workable tile vs the cost of building another settler, I think it's worth keeping St. Pete's rather than worrying about one tile since I'm of the opinion most cities aren't going to be hitting size 21 anyway.

EDIT: I'm concerned that Cathy had space for another city ... I wonder ... can anyone look at the diplomacy screen? Has Cathy met Huyana yet?

SECOND EDIT: That is a good point about the desert tile being a bridge ... hmm ... maybe we should raze St. Pete's ...

 

[bobrath]

Or (and I shudder to say this) drop a token city on the desert with no intention of it ever doing much of anything beside acting as a canal.... I would demand it be named Nara of course.

 

[namliaM]

Or (and I shudder to say this) drop a token city on the desert with no intention of it ever doing much of anything beside acting as a canal.... I would demand it be named Nara of course.

A full city just for the sake of a canal??? Not if it were up to me...

Nara? I have seen this name around a couple of times now. Whats up with Nara?

 

[bobrath]

Nara.... In a previous VQ game, one of our players chose to keep the city of Nara instead of raizing it to the ground - even though I had left a sizable armed force outside it and instructions to raize it down! It was in very close proximity to another much more developed and robust city. It (imo) brought nothing to the table.

As it works out, in that game I was the last player with meaningful turns and I offered two saves up to the next player (the one guilty of keeping Nara). One where Nara had mysteriously revolted over to the enemy and another where it was still part of the empire.

Nara is what I now call all cities that have no reason for existing in my grand dot map in the sky (tm).

 

[namliaM]

Ah, Nara, Yes I know that feeling... Thank you for explaining....

A simular canal would be created when settling 1 south of the Dessert... But I dont think many would support that one...

 

[eektor]

Nara? I have seen this name around a couple of times now. Whats up with Nara?

For more information check out VQ04 - Revenge. You can get the whole story there.

Edit: Since I don't want to make another post, GreyFox how do you make those dotmaps? I think they are the best looking ones I've seen.

 

[ChrTh]

EDIT: I'm concerned that Cathy had space for another city ... I wonder ... can anyone look at the diplomacy screen? Has Cathy met Huyana yet?

Since no one else looked, I did:

The answer ... is No.

 

[saint1979]

Hello. Sorry for interupting, but I'm cheering for you guys and I just wanted you to know what that. I'll be like a private male cheerleader
You go guys!

 

[GreyFox]

@saint: Now, why would we be intrigued by a male cheerleader? Ccould you just pretend to be female? j/k, thanks for the support!

On BlueDot and St-Petersburg
My suggestion will be to keep St Petersburg and still build BlueDot at the desert tile. What's the problem with that? Yeah, overlap ... But I don't give a damn about city overlap. When placing cities, that is always the last factor I will consider (except when playing VQ02, of-course! )

The idea behind early rush is not only to kill a potential enemy. But also to gain from it. If we continue to raze cities this early, might as well not rush city. Doing us no good, sacrificing our growth and economy for nothing. I would strongly advocating keeping St. Petersburg.

@eektor: I use the Gimp (open-source, photoshop-like, image manipulation program). It is actually quite nice, because each BFC can be placed on a separate layer, so you can actually move the BFC around to see the effect.

 

[bobrath]

If we continue to raze cities this early, might as well not rush city. Doing us no good, sacrificing our growth and economy for nothing. I would strongly advocating keeping St. Petersburg.

Oh sure now you tell me!!

I may have been a bit greedy, but I'll leave it to the team to decide how much they enjoy my style.

Turn 0:
My first of many
(BTW Memphis built WCs almost the entirety of my turn set)

Turn 1:

It did cost us two WCs tho. Yes I raized that bad boy to the ground.

Turn 2 - 6:

and I notice that Cathy must have copper somewhere..

Turn 7:
I see a Chariot appear in St. Pete...

Turn 8:
afor mentioned Chariot promotes our most advanced WC to level 3.
Oracle is BIFAL

Turn 9:
Cathy comes along offering peace for nothing. Oh heck NO (Alphabet due in 2 turns)

Turn 10:
A suddenly brave axe attacks out of St. Pete and kills our (fully healed) senior WC.

Turn 11:
It would be 6 Fully healed and twice promoted WCs going up against 20% defense, 3 archers (2 with city D1) + 1 Spear (combat 1) + 1 axe (.9 health....). I want to badly....

 

[bobrath]

Turn 12:


Turn 13:
A chariot attempts to go past our blockade force at St. Pete. He dies. I'll have to attack soon, the stack at St. Pete is just taunting me.

Turn 14:
I check the defenses one last time:

OMG, I've checked the defense each turn and saw it growing for a counter attack. Go Go Go


The screen shot didn't save (sorry), but that spearman rocked our world hard. If you throw enough horses at a spear, it gets dull eventually. We take St. Pete, gaining a worker and 102g for our treasury (running 100% research of course). I choose to raize it because that stack that left could easily recapture and I have no desire to fight that battle. (Sorry Nara)

I check Cathy and she will give us Mysticism, Fishing, and Archery for peace. She has Iron Working and Mathematics. I decided not to take it so that my WCs could more fully explore her lands and perhaps pillage some key resources. Archery is due in 2 turns for us anyway.

Our reinforcements are coming faster because I've roaded most of the way down to the battlefront. (Cottages around Thebes and mines around memphis).

Turn 15 - 17:
Mostly as our scouting WC takes out a few archers and gets a decent amount south.
Parthenon BIFAL

Turn 18: Cathy decides to found Yarsolov a bit further south (since I'm camping the hill.

Turn 19:
I attack and kill the defenders. Yarsolov autoraizes to the ground (we do get 3g for that and I pillage 4 more g for the horse pasture)

Turn 20:
Just pushing further as I can.
Cathy's offer for peace (when I dialed her up):

The settler is due in 2 turns out of Thebes (can whip for 1 pop)
A library is due in 3 from Memphis (can whip for 2 pop). You can also switch to an archer which would come in 3 turns as well.

We've got 4 WCs and 1 warrior down south, enough to hold a blockade until we get a real city settle on the ithsmus.

Iron working currently being researched, but due in 12 turns even at 100% research (71 g @ -5 per turn).

Memphis is now unhappy by 1 thanks to WW.

Here's two pics of the current world. I've roaded to most of the possible city sites in the south.

Well... there it is. Cathy is knocked down (but burning 3 cities means we basically have another Always War civ now). With her having copper somewhere else, I don't know that our WCs are going to be much more effective. The one glance I got of Moscow had it with 4 archers, so she might be thin. Trouble is all the jungle around her. Our WC's advantage of speed is gone there. I don't think she has any more horses tho.

I'd suggest we go on a massive building spree and prepare for our first naval meeting. We can take Cathy off the board when it makes more sense.

The autogen log: btw its pretty huge cause of the combat results.

Spoiler :

Turn 110, 850 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Scout (1.10)
Turn 110, 850 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 110, 850 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 110, 850 BC: Catherine's Scout is hit for 38 (62/100HP)
Turn 110, 850 BC: Catherine's Scout is hit for 38 (24/100HP)
Turn 110, 850 BC: Catherine's Scout is hit for 38 (0/100HP)
Turn 110, 850 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Scout!

Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (7.35)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Combat Odds: 21.7%
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Plot Defense: +45%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (7.35)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Combat Odds: 21.7%
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Plot Defense: +45%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Archer (4.85)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Combat Odds: 65.2%
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Plot Defense: +45%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 18 (48/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (3.52)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Combat Odds: 95.6%
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Plot Defense: +45%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (28/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (8/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's Warrior (2.00) vs Catherine's Archer (1.10)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Combat Odds: 91.7%
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Plot Defense: +45%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's Warrior is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 13 (2/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 13 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 835 BC: VQ's Warrior has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 111, 835 BC: You have captured Rostov!!!
Turn 111, 835 BC: You have destroyed the city of Rostov!!!

Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Archer (3.30)
Turn 112, 820 BC: Combat Odds: 90.3%
Turn 112, 820 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (20/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (4/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 112, 820 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Archer!

Turn 116, 760 BC: Catherine's Chariot (4.40) vs VQ's War Chariot (5.50)
Turn 116, 760 BC: Combat Odds: 24.9%
Turn 116, 760 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 116, 760 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 116, 760 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 760 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Chariot!

Turn 117, 745 BC: Merit Ptah has been born in a far away land!
Turn 117, 745 BC: The Oracle has been built in a far away land!

Turn 120, 700 BC: You have discovered Alphabet!
Turn 120, 700 BC: Catherine's Axeman (5.50) vs VQ's War Chariot (6.75)
Turn 120, 700 BC: Combat Odds: 25.7%
Turn 120, 700 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 120, 700 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 120, 700 BC: (Combat: +25%)
Turn 120, 700 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 120, 700 BC: Catherine's Axeman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!

Turn 121, 685 BC: You have constructed a Library in Thebes. Work has now begun on a Settler.

Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Chariot (4.40)
Turn 123, 655 BC: Combat Odds: 74.9%
Turn 123, 655 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 123, 655 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 123, 655 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 123, 655 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Chariot!

Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Spearman (12.00)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 0.4%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Spearman (10.44)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 1.6%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 29 (13/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Spearman (8.88)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 8.1%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 14 (60/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 14 (46/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 14 (32/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 14 (18/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (8.55)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 8.9%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Archer (4.44)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 85.1%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Hills: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 18 (34/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 18 (16/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Spearman (2.16)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 99.2%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Plot Defense: +65%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 17 (1/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Spearman!
Turn 124, 640 BC: You have captured St. Petersburg!!!
Turn 124, 640 BC: You have destroyed the city of St. Petersburg!!!
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Chariot (4.40) vs VQ's War Chariot (3.08)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Combat Odds: 94.2%
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (36/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (16/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 124, 640 BC: Catherine's Chariot has defeated VQ's War Chariot!

Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.00) vs Catherine's Chariot (1.89)
Turn 125, 625 BC: Combat Odds: 99.9%
Turn 125, 625 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 25 (18/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 15 (25/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: Catherine's Chariot is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 125, 625 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Chariot!
Turn 125, 625 BC: You have discovered Archery!

Turn 126, 610 BC: The Parthenon has been built in a far away land!
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer (3.00) vs VQ's War Chariot (4.05)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Combat Odds: 21.1%
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (65/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 16 (49/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer (3.00) vs VQ's War Chariot (2.45)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Combat Odds: 84.7%
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Archer!
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer (3.00) vs VQ's War Chariot (1.60)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Combat Odds: 97.8%
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (13/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 126, 610 BC: Catherine's Archer has defeated VQ's War Chariot!

Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Spearman (8.60)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Combat Odds: 8.8%
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 129, 565 BC: Your War Chariot has died trying to attack a Spearman!
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Spearman (6.38)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Combat Odds: 40.7%
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 17 (67/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 17 (50/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 17 (33/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 17 (16/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman has defeated VQ's War Chariot!
Turn 129, 565 BC: Your War Chariot has died trying to attack a Spearman!
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Axeman (5.00)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Combat Odds: 67.8%
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Axeman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Axeman!
Turn 129, 565 BC: Your War Chariot has destroyed a Axeman!
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot (5.50) vs Catherine's Spearman (1.37)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: Catherine's Spearman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 129, 565 BC: VQ's War Chariot has defeated Catherine's Spearman!
Turn 129, 565 BC: Your War Chariot has destroyed a Spearman!
Turn 129, 565 BC: You have captured Yaroslavl'!!!
Turn 129, 565 BC: You have pillaged 3 4 from the destruction of Yaroslavl'!!!
Turn 129, 565 BC: You have plundered 44 from the Pasture!

The Save

 

[GreyFox]

Okay ... so you razed 3 cities and take peace. Good job capturing 3 cities. I understand the need to raze each of the 3 cities.

But as I said, it does us not much good except to kill off a potential enemy. We don't get a higher score, we are not one step close to domination or diplomatic victory.

So, the next step, IMHO, is to pump out settlers and fill in the space created before someone else does it. With spears appearing, we can say goodbye to our UU, and start concentrating on other more useful units.

I see we have learnt archery. My humble opion is that we need to go fishing and sailing. Since we have stone, may try the Great Lighthouse. Thereafter Iron-Working / Metal-Casting for military route. Else go Writing and Literature for the Great Library.

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