i can not look at save right now either. but from 370 bc she only had 3 unpromoted archers and a CR spear in madrid. last save was at 250 bc. probably not to much of a difference now. she seems to focusing on settlers right now, that is said because she has a settler and axe/archer escort NW of osaka in 250bc. once this city is settled it will give her 6 cities. i'm thinking she will start focusing on troops soon. we needn't wait to long.
SGOTM 02 - VQ Red
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
A syou can see in screenshot, she has 3 archers and a spear in Madrid. The other cities I recall has at least 2 archers.Even the settler is escorted by an axe and an archer.
We need at least 8~10 axes/swords, and a 2~4 cats to launch the offenisve ... we do not have enough production in our one city to out-produce her ... I guess we have to keep building and wait for the offensive ... since we have enough health resources, consider chopping (we already have maths) to hasten our builds.
Once we are ready for the offensive, we have recall all our archers to turtle into Osaka for a pure defnse ... hopefully she will waste her forces trying to take Osaka ... meanwhile our offensive stack go for barclona ... take a breathe, and head on to Madrid. Sue for peace once we take these two cities.
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We need at least 8~10 axes/swords, and a 2~4 cats to launch the offenisve ... we do not have enough production in our one city to out-produce her ... I guess we have to keep building and wait for the offensive ... since we have enough health resources, consider chopping (we already have maths) to hasten our builds.
Once we are ready for the offensive, we have recall all our archers to turtle into Osaka for a pure defnse ... hopefully she will waste her forces trying to take Osaka ... meanwhile our offensive stack go for barclona ... take a breathe, and head on to Madrid. Sue for peace once we take these two cities.
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agreed. i also doubt our ability to take more than 2 cities in one sweep. i also would like to see her throw everything she's got in one attack on osaka, and the AI is usually pretty good about doing this. then we're free to pillage and liberate our 2 cities from spanish control.
and this will start the japanese movement since we have...
...left the island city of Kyoto to avenge the death of his wife and only son. He has travelled to a distant land without finding their murderer. So the brother of Tokugawa will settle and found a new Japanese colony, and the Japanese have sworn to conquer the rest of civilization in order to hunt down and destroy their enemy.
my question with the story line is, if he traveled from kyoto to a distant land why can we not see his path and where is the boat he used (or did he swim?)?
and this will start the japanese movement since we have...
...left the island city of Kyoto to avenge the death of his wife and only son. He has travelled to a distant land without finding their murderer. So the brother of Tokugawa will settle and found a new Japanese colony, and the Japanese have sworn to conquer the rest of civilization in order to hunt down and destroy their enemy.
my question with the story line is, if he traveled from kyoto to a distant land why can we not see his path and where is the boat he used (or did he swim?)?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Heh, perhaps he has simply beamed over ... 
in fact I am not too optimistics abt us getting to Marid ... its going to be a brutal fight.
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in fact I am not too optimistics abt us getting to Marid ... its going to be a brutal fight.
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yeah, i know. that was why i originally suggested seville and barc. but barc should be first. we could hit barc & seville, pillage the resources around madrid, declare peace. she would be hit with distance penalities and have to rebuild the improvements before she could rebuild a real army. she would also be able to fund fewer troops.
i'm okay with either plan. if we can take madrid, it would be good to cut her from those resources. but if we can not then atleast make it hurt.
i'm okay with either plan. if we can take madrid, it would be good to cut her from those resources. but if we can not then atleast make it hurt.
Codeman said:
IF she settles NW it won't be so bad. However, if she founds another city to our N/NE and it expands borders quickly it could block our way forward to Barca - we're going to have trouble trying to take it if we can't declare war and launch our assault from one or two squares away. At the moment we can get fairly close to any of her cities (apart from Madrid), but I doubt this will last much longer.
it will be interesting to see where she settles. i think she may settle between osaka and seville or due north of osaka. i'm thinking she came from the west and is moving east. that would mean she is settling north of us. could be a coastal city (for us).
looked more closely at screen shots and see she's about to have copper resource (when border pops) in the city south of seville. we will want to kill that too. she seems to be runnig away. for now.
looked more closely at screen shots and see she's about to have copper resource (when border pops) in the city south of seville. we will want to kill that too. she seems to be runnig away. for now.
armstrong
Prince
GreyFox said:
I don't know if I'd agree with those numbers. Catapults are very powerful if properly used, and we've been dealing with raiders long enough to know how not to get pillaged.
I'd think 4 axes/swords and 6 cats will cut through the city better. If you want to drop one tough city, nothing beats massed cats. I don't think we should hit Barcelona first - how will it benefit us in the short term? It will take years to even pay for itself. Let's focus on Madrid, which is a good enough city to justify the upkeep - and find a plan to move the palace / get courthouses soon. I like the Currency -> CoL route that was mentioned.
do we want to march right past barc to madrid? i'm okay with that, i could be too eager to start the war; that and i want the jewish holy city in addition to buddism's hoily city. i know we'll have it later and understand the logic in waiting until we have six courthouses to wipe her out. and i know we'll need six cities to have 6 courthouses (that means add 2 of hers) do we take madrid, get peace and wait until we have five courthouses to declare again?
armstrong
Prince
Codeman said:
If I remember correctly, we need 6 courthouses and 8 cities to build the Forbidden Palace...
I don't think the Jewish holy city is that useful - certainly not in the short term. It has no shrine, so we're going to need to get a Great Prophet to make use of it, and spread the religion - the city isn't bad (a fine commerce town) but has no real uses in the short term that I see except boosting our # of cities & courthouses to build FP. Why not let Izzy develop it for us? We can take Madrid while moving the Palace and grab Barc on the way back.
I haven't read all posts yet 'cause real life is biting me. So if the following has already been suggested please cut me some slack. My first thought - call it intuition if you like - was to settle another city close to Osaka. It'll only be -7 gpt - maybe 8 - but you'll have two military production sites. And me thinx you're gonna need them!!!
Curiously awaiting the alien's - err, english man's - report!
Regards, .
Curiously awaiting the alien's - err, english man's - report!
Regards, .
Oops! It looks like I might have raised your hopes with a careless smiley, codeman. Actually, the turns were mostly boring, but I only played 10 just in case we want to adjust our strategy (plus I really REALLY hate ending a turnset outside the gridlines of the scorechart...)
The barbs were largely quiescient: we only had three attacks, which we won easily. The rest just turned tail when they saw us. I also used some of the newer units as fogbusters - might as well make them useful until they are required for war.
Anyway, onto the shrine at Barca: Zoroaster was born in Madrid in 220BC and sent to build the Temple of Solomon, which was completed in 190BC. Nothing more mysterious than that.
What is more important is that while this was happening, Izzy finally decided where she was going to plop her settler:
By the end of the turnset the city was still at size 1, but had acquired Judaism.
NB: I don't think GF mentioned that Buddhism had spread to Osaka. I didn't convert as it would do nothing for us (apart from 1cpt), and I assume that going to war will remove any chance of a cultural battle between Osaka and Santiago
Apart from this, I just followed GF's lead: infrastructure in the islands and military at Osaka. Construction is due in 5. I let one sword finish normally, and timed a chop to get another 2 turns later. A third is currently in production. This is the state of our forces at present:
According to McCauley, this was our power ranking in 235BC.
And this is how is compares with Izzy by the end of the round:
Finally, some more pretty pictures:
The barbs were largely quiescient: we only had three attacks, which we won easily. The rest just turned tail when they saw us. I also used some of the newer units as fogbusters - might as well make them useful until they are required for war.
Anyway, onto the shrine at Barca: Zoroaster was born in Madrid in 220BC and sent to build the Temple of Solomon, which was completed in 190BC. Nothing more mysterious than that.
What is more important is that while this was happening, Izzy finally decided where she was going to plop her settler:
By the end of the turnset the city was still at size 1, but had acquired Judaism.
NB: I don't think GF mentioned that Buddhism had spread to Osaka. I didn't convert as it would do nothing for us (apart from 1cpt), and I assume that going to war will remove any chance of a cultural battle between Osaka and Santiago
Apart from this, I just followed GF's lead: infrastructure in the islands and military at Osaka. Construction is due in 5. I let one sword finish normally, and timed a chop to get another 2 turns later. A third is currently in production. This is the state of our forces at present:
According to McCauley, this was our power ranking in 235BC.
And this is how is compares with Izzy by the end of the round:
Finally, some more pretty pictures:
Maquis
King
I actually think we're in pretty good shape as far as power goes.
Izzy is more powerful, but she's got 5+cities full of archers. I doubt she has many offensive units (maybe the odd spear, and the axe in Santiago)
I say we get at least one more sword, and then start on building/whipping cats when consruction comes in. I would say 4 cats minimum.
I still think the best bet for cripping Izzy is to go for Barc then Madrid. Her other cities just won't have the production to keep up with us at that point.
Izzy is more powerful, but she's got 5+cities full of archers. I doubt she has many offensive units (maybe the odd spear, and the axe in Santiago)
I say we get at least one more sword, and then start on building/whipping cats when consruction comes in. I would say 4 cats minimum.
I still think the best bet for cripping Izzy is to go for Barc then Madrid. Her other cities just won't have the production to keep up with us at that point.
Mostly. EDIT:
... OK, maybe twice. ???As for being in pretty good shape ... I perfectly agree, though.
And yes, for crippling Isa I'd also go for Barcelona first and then take out Madrid.
If it is welcome by the team and OK by Mr. AlanH I'd like to step in for Krockel as long as he's on vacation.
Regards, .
armstrong
Prince
I basically agree with what everyone else is saying
I think it's going to be important to keep the catapults flowing once we start war. We're going to need a lot of 'em, I think. Now that Barcelona has a shrine, it makes sense not to skip it.
I think it's going to be important to keep the catapults flowing once we start war. We're going to need a lot of 'em, I think. Now that Barcelona has a shrine, it makes sense not to skip it.
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