SGOTM 04 - Team VQ

[Maquis]

Ok, got the save.

Looks like we're just a few turns away from A.line The plan I've kind of been forming in my head... take a target city (Washington or other) to use as a foothold... and we then upgrade troops en masse there when Infrantry are available?

Or should we stay with the plan of knocking down as many coastal cities amphibiously first before taking them?

GF took out a chunk of GW's troops with that invasion fleet he intercepted. GW should also have his hands full with Mehmed... am I delusional to think GW will not have the forces to re-take first cities we capture from him?

I'll be playing in about 8 hrs. I'd like to hear a few thoughts in the meantime...

 

[bobrath]

I always expect the AIs to have enough stockpiled forces to mount at least one counter attack. I like the idea of hounding his shoreline cities, but I wonder if we have the time for it...

 

[namliaM]

Float up to a city (or 2) and see how well they be defended... If there is quite a few defenders take it down and move on to the next. If there are only 1 or 2 ... take it...

Or that is what I would do... I wouldnt go floating all the way around... just go north (or south) depending upon where the ships are now and/or depending on how the cities are distributed.
Also we MUST get peace with Hannibal first, otherwize his Infantry will walk all over our landing party

 

[bobrath]

Might we able to take a city from Hannibal ... and then right away use it to pay for peace?

 

[Maquis]

Just an update... I got a couple turns played, then RL interrupted. I'll finish up this afternoon. Sorry if I go over my 48hrs...

 

[Maquis]

Sorry about this, I have to cut my turnset short, a family emergency is taking me out of town for the weekend. I played three turns last night, and wouldn't be able to play again until Sunday. I don't want to hold everyone else up in the meantime.

I have not made peace with Hannibal. He still wants his city for peace, and I don't see a way for us to take another before we get Infantry.

My plan was, to wait till the turn Assembly Line came in, attack & take Washington, and then the remaining Grenaders can be moved into Washington (on boats) and still be able to be upgraded to Infrantry that turn. That way they can sucessfully defend Washington.

Bob, feel free to veto this idea, and go about kicking GW down however you see fit.

The Save: http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm4/VQ_SG004_AD1691_01.CivWarlordsSave

 

[bobrath]

My turns have been played - report up by end of day.

Short(est) synopsis: GW donated 3 cities to us, we have peace with Hannibal.

 

[bobrath]

When I picked up the save, I liked the idea of taking Washington, but was concerned about Hannibal getting in the way. I also noticed that GW now has SAMs (but no infantry). On a lark I went just east of Washington and looked in on San Francisco. It had one SAM and one rifle, but not much else. Hmmm

We lost two cannons, but San Fran was a relatively easy capture:

I checked with Hannibal and woo hoo! He's changed his demand:

You can bet your sweet patootie I accepted this. Happened in 1694 on my first real turn - so next play needs to be ready in case Hannibal comes out of the 10 turn peace treaty and wants more fun. This can happen on your first real turn since I played 10.

Once Assembly Line completed, I chose to research Railroad... Not sure if this was a wise choice or not since emancipation is hurting us badly (even Ghandi has emancipated). Railroad completed on my last turns, so all workers are engaged on railroading - next player may want to optimize them.

Ghandi got a Great Artist and his next turn spawned a Golden Age - he's in it right now. We... popped a Great Prophet. He'll give us 2043 of 2691 beakers towards Divine Right. Not sure what to do with him... join or go ahead and pick up a tech that the rest of the world knows... I didn't have my chart handy to see if we research/pick up DR what the GP will bulb next.

We did receive one offer for our new knowledge:

I didn't take it, since I wanted to keep the monopoly we had. Possibly an unwise decision, but I hate trading away a military tech advantage.

In 1712, Mehmed made peace with GW having taken two of his cities. I decided to strike quickly before GW could reset his forces. Atlanta (w/ colosuss) and Washington (Military Academy) fell to us in that same year.

GW will capitulate to us (actually he would at the start of my turns), but I don't like this. He's down to two cities: Seattle up north of Mehmed is not worth much to us right now and Boston which is right up next to Hannibal:

Its not going to be fun taking that city mainly because of the forces, but I think we can do it in the next ten turns. It will require reinforcements tho. We have a strike team just outside of Washington and a much smaller one by Boston

I've sent two empty Galleons (from losses and defender leave behinds) back towards out continent and flagged them as such. We've got a pretty impressive stack of units on our southwestern tip. I know Hannibal has infantry, but we really can't leave him alone much longer.

We're in a period of infrastructure right now, so I'd suggest trading or researching for Democracy and then revolting to OR and Emancipation at the same time. OR we could keep our war machine going and hope for a human wave to crush out Hannibal. In that war, we will almost certainly lose our American holdings, but that's to our benefit as it will split up his defenders for a few turns.

On my last turn I popped a GG (thanks to the Caravel exp train of Ghandi) and he's just outside our capital now.

The Save of fun,fun,fun

Logs to follow in another post.

 

[bobrath]

CFC AutoLog:

Spoiler :

Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.60)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 367, 1691 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (13/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate (7.44) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.60)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 367, 1691 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (80/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 367, 1691 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!

Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate (5.92) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.30)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 96.8%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (61/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (48/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (35/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate (6.40) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.60)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 97.7%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 14 (66/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 14 (52/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 14 (38/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon (13.20) vs Washington's SAM Infantry (34.02)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 0.1%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Plot Defense: +14%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (69/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (38/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (7/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's SAM Infantry (25.92)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 0.6%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Plot Defense: +14%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier (14.40) vs Washington's SAM Infantry (9.11)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 91.4%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Plot Defense: +14%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 23 (51/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 23 (28/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 23 (5/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's SAM Infantry!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier (13.20) vs Washington's Rifleman (10.21)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 85.5%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Plot Defense: +14%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 21 (60/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 21 (39/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 21 (18/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's Rifleman!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: You have captured San Francisco!!!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: You have made peace with Hannibal!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.30)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 368, 1694 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 368, 1694 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: You have discovered Assembly Line!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Marco Polo (Great Merchant) has been born in Istanbul (Mehmed II)!
Turn 368, 1694 AD: Li Po (Great Artist) has been born in Bibracte (Brennus)!

Turn 369, 1697 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.30)
Turn 369, 1697 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 369, 1697 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 369, 1697 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 369, 1697 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 369, 1697 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 369, 1697 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 369, 1697 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!

Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Washington's Frigate (8.00)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Combat Odds: 60.2%
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Washington's Frigate has defeated VQ's Frigate!
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.30)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 370, 1700 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 370, 1700 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!

Turn 371, 1703 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.80) vs Washington's Frigate (6.16)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Combat Odds: 90.4%
Turn 371, 1703 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 21 (49/100HP)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 21 (28/100HP)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 21 (7/100HP)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 371, 1703 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Washington's Frigate!
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Gandhi adopts Universal Suffrage!
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Gandhi adopts Emancipation!
Turn 371, 1703 AD: Joseph Conrad (Great Artist) has been born in Delhi (Gandhi)!

Turn 372, 1706 AD: Narayana Guru (Great Prophet) has been born in Nidaros (VQ)!
Turn 372, 1706 AD: Gandhi's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 372, 1706 AD: Leonardo da Vinci (Great Engineer) has been born in Carthage (Hannibal)!

Turn 373, 1709 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Atlanta to 95%!
Turn 373, 1709 AD: Mehmed II has 640 gold available for trade
Turn 373, 1709 AD: New Sarai celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!
Turn 373, 1709 AD: Hannibal has completed Broadway!
Turn 373, 1709 AD: Sojourner Truth (Great Prophet) has been born in Madrid (Isabella)!
Turn 373, 1709 AD: Washington has made peace with Mehmed II!

Turn 374, 1712 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Washington to 0%!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Atlanta to 70%!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Atlanta to 60%!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's Artillery (27.90)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 0.4%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 29 (13/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 13 (61/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's Rifleman (23.69)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 2.1%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Plot Defense: +36%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 14 (77/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier (14.40) vs Washington's Rifleman (6.99)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 99.3%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Plot Defense: +36%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 26 (51/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 26 (25/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's Rifleman!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's Artillery (17.01)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 19.6%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's Artillery (17.01)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 19.6%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 14 (47/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 14 (33/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier (15.60) vs Washington's Artillery (6.53)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -30%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: +10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 21 (12/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Artillery is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's Artillery!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: You have captured Atlanta!!!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.30)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's Rifleman (30.80)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 0.1%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (69/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 12 (88/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (38/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 12 (76/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 12 (64/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 12 (52/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (7/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 31 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's Rifleman (18.69)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 9.1%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 15 (74/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 15 (59/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 15 (44/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 15 (29/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman has defeated VQ's Cannon!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon (12.00) vs Washington's SAM Infantry (22.14)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 5.5%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 14 (68/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 14 (54/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 14 (40/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Cannon is hit for 28 (16/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier (13.20) vs Washington's SAM Infantry (7.38)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 97.2%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +75%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 20 (21/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 20 (1/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's SAM Infantry!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier (13.20) vs Washington's Rifleman (6.43)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 99.3%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 25 (44/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 25 (19/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's Rifleman!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier (14.40) vs Washington's SAM Infantry (3.88)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 28 (12/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's SAM Infantry is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's SAM Infantry!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier (13.20) vs Washington's Rifleman (3.39)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 29 (11/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Grenadier has defeated Washington's Rifleman!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Berserker (8.80) vs Washington's Rifleman (3.68)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Defense: +20%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (City Attack: -55%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 20 (9/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Rifleman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Berserker has defeated Washington's Rifleman!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: You have captured Washington!!!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Mehmed II has 850 gold available for trade
Turn 374, 1712 AD: New Sarai celebrates "We Love the Prime Minister Day"!!!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate (10.40) vs VQ's Frigate (8.80)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Combat Odds: 57.3%
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Extra Combat: -30%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: VQ's Frigate is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington's Frigate has defeated VQ's Frigate!
Turn 374, 1712 AD: Washington adopts Emancipation!

Turn 375, 1715 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Ning-hsia!
Turn 375, 1715 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 375, 1715 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 375, 1715 AD: VQ's Frigate (9.60) vs Washington's Frigate (1.12)
Turn 375, 1715 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 375, 1715 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 375, 1715 AD: (Extra Combat: +30%)
Turn 375, 1715 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 375, 1715 AD: Washington's Frigate is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 375, 1715 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Washington's Frigate!
Turn 375, 1715 AD: Your Frigate has destroyed a Frigate!

Turn 376, 1718 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.30)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 376, 1718 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Your Frigate has destroyed a Caravel!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 95%!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 90%!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 85%!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Brennus has 440 gold available for trade
Turn 376, 1718 AD: You have discovered Railroad!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Washington's Cavalry (16.50) vs VQ's Infantry (28.00)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Combat Odds: 3.6%
Turn 376, 1718 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: (City Defense: +20%)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Washington's Cavalry is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: VQ's Infantry is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Washington's Cavalry is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: VQ's Infantry is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Washington's Cavalry is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: Washington's Cavalry is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 376, 1718 AD: VQ's Infantry has defeated Washington's Cavalry!
Turn 376, 1718 AD: While defending, your Infantry has killed a American Cavalry!

Turn 377, 1721 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Birka!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Haithabu!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 80%!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 75%!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 70%!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Your Frigate has reduced the defenses of Boston to 65%!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: VQ's Frigate (8.00) vs Gandhi's Caravel (3.60)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 377, 1721 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (13/100HP)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Gandhi's Caravel is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 377, 1721 AD: VQ's Frigate has defeated Gandhi's Caravel!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Charles Martel (Great General) has been born in Bjørgvin (VQ)!
Turn 377, 1721 AD: Your Frigate has destroyed a Caravel!

 

[bobrath]

HoF Autlog (since the cfc fills up the text limit)

Spoiler :

Turn 367 (1691 AD)
Karakorum grows: 15
Nara finishes: Library
Sicca grows: 7

Turn 368 (1694 AD)
Nara begins: Hindu Temple
Frigate defeats (2.80/8): Indian Caravel
Frigate defeats (3.04/8): Indian Caravel
Cannon promoted: Barrage I
Cannon loses to: American SAM Infantry (18.00/18)
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: City Raider II
Cannon loses to: American SAM Infantry (13.32/18)
Grenadier defeats (3.84/12): American SAM Infantry
Grenadier defeats (7.68/12): American Rifleman
Confucianism has spread: San Francisco
Captured San Francisco (Washington)
War ends: Carthaginian Empire
San Francisco lost
Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Indian Caravel
Tech learned: Assembly Line
Roskilde finishes: Observatory
Bjørgvin finishes: University
Old Sarai grows: 13
Sicca finishes: Courthouse

Turn 369 (1697 AD)
Research begun: Democracy
Roskilde begins: University
Bjørgvin begins: Observatory
Sicca begins: Forge
Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Indian Caravel
Frigate promoted: Combat I
Frigate promoted: Drill I
Research begun: Railroad
Nidaros finishes: Infantry
New Sarai's borders expand
Beshbalik grows: 10
Beshbalik finishes: Frigate

Turn 370 (1700 AD)
Nidaros begins: Factory
Beshbalik begins: Ironclad
Frigate promoted: Drill I
Frigate promoted: Drill II
Frigate loses to: American Frigate (3.20/8)
Frigate promoted: Drill III
Frigate defeats (5.92/8): Indian Caravel
New Sarai finishes: Frigate

Turn 371 (1703 AD)
New Sarai begins: Bank
Frigate defeats (6.56/8): American Frigate
Uppsala finishes: Cannon
Samarqand grows: 9
Samarqand finishes: Grenadier

Turn 372 (1706 AD)
Uppsala begins: Factory
Samarqand begins: University
Narayana Guru (Great Prophet) born in Nidaros
Tønsberg finishes: Cannon
Sigtuna grows: 3

Turn 373 (1709 AD)
Tønsberg begins: Bank
Frigate promoted: Combat I
Frigate promoted: Combat II

Turn 374 (1712 AD)
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: City Raider II
Cannon loses to: American Artillery (10.98/18)
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: City Raider II
Cannon loses to: American Rifleman (10.78/14)
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): American Rifleman
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: City Raider II
Cannon loses to: American Artillery (10.98/18)
Cannon promoted: City Raider I
Cannon promoted: City Raider II
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): American Artillery
Confucianism has spread: Atlanta
Captured Atlanta (Washington)
Atlanta begins: Trading Post
Frigate defeats (6.96/8): Indian Caravel
Cannon promoted: Barrage I
Cannon promoted: Barrage II
Cannon loses to: American Rifleman (7.28/14)
Cannon loses to: American Rifleman (4.06/14)
Cannon promoted: Barrage I
Cannon promoted: Barrage II
Grenadier defeats (2.88/12): American SAM Infantry
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): American Rifleman
Grenadier defeats (10.44/12): American SAM Infantry
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): American Rifleman
Berserker promoted: City Raider I
Berserker promoted: City Raider II
Berserker defeats (8.00/8): American Rifleman
Buddhism has spread: Washington
Confucianism has spread: Washington
Captured Washington (Washington)
Washington begins: Barracks
Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I
Frigate loses to: American Frigate (0.80/8)

Turn 375 (1715 AD)
Frigate defeats (8.00/8): American Frigate
Galleon promoted: Combat I
Galleon promoted: Medic I
Nara finishes: Hindu Temple
Beshbalik grows: 11
Ning-hsia finishes: Galleon

Turn 376 (1718 AD)
Nara begins: Market
Ning-hsia begins: Library
Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Indian Caravel
Tech learned: Railroad
Nara grows: 10
Sicca grows: 8
Sigtuna finishes: Granary
Infantry defeats (14.00/20): American Cavalry

Turn 377 (1721 AD)
Research begun: Democracy
Sigtuna begins: Forge
Charles Martel (Great General) born in Bjørgvin
Frigate defeats (8.00/8): Indian Caravel

One other thing, Some how when we received peace with Hannibal, two cavalry popped up in the cultural no mans land in our southwest. We need to pop borders there to expunge the pillagers before any war declaration. I flagged them with a sign.

 

[GreyFox]

Pretty well executed, bob!

I would actually have taken the trade, there is no monopoly. At least Hannibal had AssLine. However if the team still wish to go hammer on Carthage, then it is wise not to trade. But if we want to weaken Hannibal first, Railroad is actually pretty useful.

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[bobrath]

Agreed that there was no monopoly, but I figured that Hannibal wouldn't be giving up his military advantage right away either. I did check the F4 screen every turn just to catch any change.

 

[Scowler]

We're in a period of infrastructure right now, so I'd suggest trading or researching for Democracy and then revolting to OR and Emancipation at the same time. OR we could keep our war machine going and hope for a human wave to crush out Hannibal.

I'm inclined to favour the war machine at the moment. Sure Emancipation would be nice to help with the happy, but it will cost us 2 turns in revolution (not counting a switch to OR); I'd rather go straight for Arty while no one else has it and try to use it to our advantage - it's at least 16 turns off already so we should really be getting started on it.

And besides...

I can't believe how far behind Gandhi still is. We are (or rather Gandhi is) seriously running out of time, unless we can either incapicitate the other AIs or at least distract them somehow.

 

[namliaM]

Nice going bob, I am most concerned bout the fact of Combustion...

Make you Scowler UP

Roster
namliaM -- +1 gmt >
Greyfox -- +8 gmt >
Maquis -- -7 gmt >
Bobrath -- -5 gmt > Got our first offland holdings
Healium -- +1 gmt -- MIA
Scowler -- gmt > UP
Frankcor-- -5 gmt <Lurker>
Cosmichail -- -5gmt > On Deck

 

[Scowler]

No further comments or observations? Then I guess I'll just follow whatever strategy comes to mind...

 

[namliaM]

I am fresh out of ideas... so if anyone has anything to pitch in...

 

[Cosmichail]

No further comments or observations? Then I guess I'll just follow whatever strategy comes to mind...

Blow up everything or as Darth Sidious said: "Kill them all". Get us a place to hang our hat and let Gandhi get off his arse and build something else then caravels. He doesn't have chemistry still!!!! What a patz... He deserves to be beat but since we have to hold his hand and get him into space we'll do what Vikings do best. Rape, pillage and burn baby.

I thought Brennus was a good target but he's a pig and Greyfox wanted pigeons. I don't know maybe in Singapore they like pigeons. I am not overly fond of them and prefer pigs. (mmmmm bacon)

The war on GW is imo only a relationship booster for Mehmed and positioning our troops for Hannibal. The land isn't suitable and as far as I can tell only Brennus's lands has everything we need. (Hannibal only has offshore oil and iirc lacks coal)

Good luck Mr. Understatement and sorry I missed you on Sunday for multiplayer.

 

[bobrath]

I agree that Hannibal has to be the next target. Its going to hurt (alot) to do since he has somewhat of a tech advantage, but waiting is not going to help us much.

Again, before declaring war, make sure you either pop our borders in the SW to get the two cavs off our continent OR be ready to hit them on the very first declaration and be sure you'll win. Some of our back land defenders (single spearmen) would cough up a city to a pair of cavs easily.

 

[Scowler]

Guys, I'm really sorry for the delay, but I've been feeling really sick for the last couple of days and haven't been able to sit at the computer for long enough to play a turnset or post a proper message.

I'll do my best to play my round this morning, but I'm still feeling a bit dodgy, so if I haven't posted again by Friday 12.00 GMT (or breakfast time in North America) to say that I've played or am playing please skip me and carry on.

Once again, I'm sorry for holding things up.

*rushes back to bathroom*

 

[namliaM]

Take care of your health Scowler!

We have some bug going around the Netherlands as well... Must be the warm weather???