SGOTM 04 - Team VQ
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I now have BtS so I set up a dual install to continue with this game. However, something is obviously not working properly as I'm now getting a protected assets error when I try to load the save (warlords itself is working fine). I checked with an earlier save and it has the same problem so it is obviously my system that is causing it.
It is likely to take me some time to reinstall/setup everything - probably another day or two - so if the next player wants to pick up the save first then please go ahead!
It is likely to take me some time to reinstall/setup everything - probably another day or two - so if the next player wants to pick up the save first then please go ahead!
10 turns played. The main events: Valencia razed and Madrid captured.
Apart from this, things have been relatively tranquil and I've been concentrating on finishing the final build-up of troops.
- Gandhi completed Casing No. 4 on turn 2.
- We finished the Space Elevator at Nidaros on turn 4
- A Great Engineer was born on turn 8 (not sure what we are supposed to do with him at this stage)
- We are getting close to the Domination threshold, but at this stage it doesn't really matter, because . . .
We are almost out of time! Brennus completed the Engine on turn 9!
We can't afford to wait any longer. Take the troops at Bjorgvin and Madrid and hit the bastard with everything we've got!
Apart from this, things have been relatively tranquil and I've been concentrating on finishing the final build-up of troops.
- Gandhi completed Casing No. 4 on turn 2.
- We finished the Space Elevator at Nidaros on turn 4
- A Great Engineer was born on turn 8 (not sure what we are supposed to do with him at this stage)
- We are getting close to the Domination threshold, but at this stage it doesn't really matter, because . . .
We are almost out of time! Brennus completed the Engine on turn 9!
We can't afford to wait any longer. Take the troops at Bjorgvin and Madrid and hit the bastard with everything we've got!
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Where is Samsun? I ask only because in the log I see Brennus hammering the defenses (and I'm at work so unable to bring up the map).
Just want to make sure we're not looking at another invasion in our backyard.
I agree that we have to unleash the hammer on Brennus. One question, what resource is required for Brennus' last space ship part? We need to make sure to disconnect that resource at all costs.
Just want to make sure we're not looking at another invasion in our backyard.
I agree that we have to unleash the hammer on Brennus. One question, what resource is required for Brennus' last space ship part? We need to make sure to disconnect that resource at all costs.
Samsun is right down in the south in the old American territories. It is being bombarded by two (barely promoted) destroyers; there doesn't seem to be any imminent danger of an invasion. We also have two destroyers and a battleship just five tiles away.
To be honest, this is more annoying, as Brennus is using a jet fighter to destroy nearby resources here:
But even so, I wouldn't get too distracted by it (or by Gandhi's marauding battleships): stay on target!
Speaking of which,
The last part is the Stasis Chamber. Civlopedia doesn't specify a resource for it; on the other hand the CFC help centre says it is double-speed with copper. Not particularly good news either way. Good luck!
ADDITIONAL:
Brennus's copper is a few tiles west of Durnovaria:
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Uggh.... and anyone want to bet he's building it in Durnovaria... which means no handy dandy amphibious raizing to halt all progress.
damn you khaaaaan!
(wrong leader)
Hmm... at least his capital is on the sea and has more production - I think. Not that I can be picky, but any suggestions on first, second, third targets for what will be a depleting army??
damn you khaaaaan!
(wrong leader)
Hmm... at least his capital is on the sea and has more production - I think. Not that I can be picky, but any suggestions on first, second, third targets for what will be a depleting army??
GreyFox
Make it so ...
There is no way we can verify the results of the bet except building spy ...anyway the game is ending one way another, let's throw everything we got at brennus. I suggest just hit on the easiest target first .. there's no way we can know for sure which city is building the chamber, so every city has a chance. At least, that may force him to delay the chamber and switch to military.
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5 turns into the SmackDown (tm) and I'm proud to say that no one will be just pressing Enter as I hand off. 
Before even pressing enter I spotted this little easter egg:
no good! I sent a mech inf down to help, and hoped Mehmed's infantry could hold out at least long enough for our artillery to scoot by... No such luck. Good news is that Ankara is raized and will cease being a yo-yo. Bad news is that it took me 5 turns to fully clear that bottle neck of enemy forces. Get our workers hooking up the railroad again to speed up reinforcements.
I made sure to use bombers as best I could throughout all the turns and we've removed a good chunk of essential war making resources (coal, iron, uranium), but the job isn't done. Brennus still has oil and aluminum (and copper).
Turns 2 - 5:
Running roughly clockwise from Izzy's borders around to just north of Mauryan.
I raized *every* city (so yes RockNRoll, Great Wall, Univ of Sankora, Taj mahal, Hagia Sofia, and the Parthennon - to name a few - are GONE from the world. Sorry, but I didn't see any value in trying to defend fully built up production centers.
Our new improved naval force was simply amazing. We did take loses, but cities do not stay up once we get outside. The only remaining Brennus coastal city is Mauryan. And its going to be ugly:
Inland, the new capital is... well almost as much fun:
Power graph is yummy, happy:
So where does that leave us?
Next player can do a bit more cleanup of coastal cities (and figure out how to crack Mauryan). The seas are almost totally clean, so we're doing fine there.
Bombers will be our best friends as any assault will most likely out race artillery. Be sure to blitz forward as you raize a city (since the borders don't pop to fill).
You may want to keep Mauryan - if only to act as a lightning rod for recapture attempts. Up to you.
I'd suggest prioritizing the two big cities left (maury and capital) and taking out resources as possible. Park a destroyer around old city sites to spot refounding.
Other then that.... Pray Brennus was not building his final part inland! Otherwise move faster then I did!
The Save of DOMINATION
Logs in following post.
Before even pressing enter I spotted this little easter egg:
no good! I sent a mech inf down to help, and hoped Mehmed's infantry could hold out at least long enough for our artillery to scoot by... No such luck. Good news is that Ankara is raized and will cease being a yo-yo. Bad news is that it took me 5 turns to fully clear that bottle neck of enemy forces. Get our workers hooking up the railroad again to speed up reinforcements.
I made sure to use bombers as best I could throughout all the turns and we've removed a good chunk of essential war making resources (coal, iron, uranium), but the job isn't done. Brennus still has oil and aluminum (and copper).
Turns 2 - 5:
Running roughly clockwise from Izzy's borders around to just north of Mauryan.
I raized *every* city (so yes RockNRoll, Great Wall, Univ of Sankora, Taj mahal, Hagia Sofia, and the Parthennon - to name a few - are GONE from the world. Sorry, but I didn't see any value in trying to defend fully built up production centers.
Our new improved naval force was simply amazing. We did take loses, but cities do not stay up once we get outside. The only remaining Brennus coastal city is Mauryan. And its going to be ugly:
Inland, the new capital is... well almost as much fun:
Power graph is yummy, happy:
So where does that leave us?
Next player can do a bit more cleanup of coastal cities (and figure out how to crack Mauryan). The seas are almost totally clean, so we're doing fine there.
Bombers will be our best friends as any assault will most likely out race artillery. Be sure to blitz forward as you raize a city (since the borders don't pop to fill).
You may want to keep Mauryan - if only to act as a lightning rod for recapture attempts. Up to you.
I'd suggest prioritizing the two big cities left (maury and capital) and taking out resources as possible. Park a destroyer around old city sites to spot refounding.
Other then that.... Pray Brennus was not building his final part inland! Otherwise move faster then I did!
The Save of DOMINATION
Logs in following post.
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GreyFox
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Sounds like pretty good progress there, Bobrath.
I see I am up. But I am also up in like all my SGs (damned, and somehow I think bobrath is conspiring to do this to me), so I'm afraid I will only get to this 2 days later. Any players are welcome to take it in the meantime, I will post a got-it when I play this.
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I see I am up. But I am also up in like all my SGs (damned, and somehow I think bobrath is conspiring to do this to me), so I'm afraid I will only get to this 2 days later. Any players are welcome to take it in the meantime, I will post a got-it when I play this.
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
First order of business is that I noticed Izzy is no longer a vassal of Brennus. I took peace.
Under normal circumstances, I would have go on to raze a few more cities before taking peace so that she would part some techs. But seeing that the clock is ticking, we have to focus on Brennus.
It turns out the peace makes it a bit of a nuisance when Brennus park a stack of MA in Izy's border and attacked our stack. Although our stealth bomber did a great job of bombing the stack of MA, our ground troops can't go in for the kill since we do not have OB with Izzy
But don't worry, the stack of MA is taken care of. Brennus' is officially out of steam.
But that's jumping the gun a bit ... let's go back to th beginning.
I had also noticed a general in our old world. Decided to pull a nearby grenie and attached the general to it.
This way, we can upgrade him freely to MechInf. In retrospect, I think that's weedy. We have money to upgrade all we want. It should be better to attach the general to an artillery since these are the bottleneck.
We had an artists. Think it is best to wait for one more GP to trigger a GA together with the GE.
I have also decided to land our navy forces on the northwest to combine it with the other minn stack. This way, I am hoping to push two stacks to squeeze Brennus. One from the northeast, the other from the south.
Although there is one coastal city, but that has tons of MA. We can't take it.
So, our forces took the northwest city and razed it
This also ends their lives on the sea and begin their ground invasion phase. They proceed on to take another city.
As a reward, I put them back on sea
... and be transported a bit south to land on our next target, Tolosa.
Next player should land them in two stacks as indicated to avoid collateral.
On the southern front, our forces pushed up north. They met the fierce resistanc eof a stack of MA i mentioned earlier. After hiding in Izzy land for a while, these stack makes the mistake of taking the bait of an easy target I placed and was finally decimated.
This also means that the previous coastal city I said that is laden with MAs ino longer has any MAs ... so if I had let the navy troops stayed there, we might take it now
Anyway, our southern forces moved on.
They are currently heading towards the capitol.
Meanwhile, Gandhi made his debut on the New World's Continent.
>>> The Save (1942AD) <<<
Played only 7 turns, as the game is taxing. I actually played 3 one night and played 4 another. Bobrath seems to be out of pocket, so Scowler its all yours.
Under normal circumstances, I would have go on to raze a few more cities before taking peace so that she would part some techs. But seeing that the clock is ticking, we have to focus on Brennus.
It turns out the peace makes it a bit of a nuisance when Brennus park a stack of MA in Izy's border and attacked our stack. Although our stealth bomber did a great job of bombing the stack of MA, our ground troops can't go in for the kill since we do not have OB with Izzy
But don't worry, the stack of MA is taken care of. Brennus' is officially out of steam.
But that's jumping the gun a bit ... let's go back to th beginning.
I had also noticed a general in our old world. Decided to pull a nearby grenie and attached the general to it.
This way, we can upgrade him freely to MechInf. In retrospect, I think that's weedy. We have money to upgrade all we want. It should be better to attach the general to an artillery since these are the bottleneck.
We had an artists. Think it is best to wait for one more GP to trigger a GA together with the GE.
I have also decided to land our navy forces on the northwest to combine it with the other minn stack. This way, I am hoping to push two stacks to squeeze Brennus. One from the northeast, the other from the south.
Although there is one coastal city, but that has tons of MA. We can't take it.
So, our forces took the northwest city and razed it
This also ends their lives on the sea and begin their ground invasion phase. They proceed on to take another city.
As a reward, I put them back on sea
... and be transported a bit south to land on our next target, Tolosa.
Next player should land them in two stacks as indicated to avoid collateral.
On the southern front, our forces pushed up north. They met the fierce resistanc eof a stack of MA i mentioned earlier. After hiding in Izzy land for a while, these stack makes the mistake of taking the bait of an easy target I placed and was finally decimated.
This also means that the previous coastal city I said that is laden with MAs ino longer has any MAs ... so if I had let the navy troops stayed there, we might take it now
Anyway, our southern forces moved on.
They are currently heading towards the capitol.
Meanwhile, Gandhi made his debut on the New World's Continent.
>>> The Save (1942AD) <<<
Played only 7 turns, as the game is taxing. I actually played 3 one night and played 4 another. Bobrath seems to be out of pocket, so Scowler its all yours.
Spoiler :
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Awesome stuff there. I had totally spaced on checking if Izzy stayed in the vassal state. Makes life a bit easier for us.
You did a great job in taking out the two big D cities. You opened up the capital AND removed the copper + aluminum from Brennus' resource stack. I assume Mauryan is still around - so we should be careful of letting any naval units escape from there in the short term.
If our three stacks marching on the capital can't do it... well that's a bad sign!
Lets remember to NOT vassalize Brennus or Izzy. We can't afford to have either of them gunning for Ghandi. In fact if we can keep them angry with us they may feel some desire to help Ghandi. Doubtful since he's so darn backwards, but none the less we can hope.
In terms of Ghandi's expansion (yes I'm looking too far ahead), If we can encourage him to take our original northern cities, he'll get the elevator and some other well set up lands. The Alternative is to totally wipe out Brennus leaving Ghandi to populate those lands. The danger is two fold - 1) it puts Ghandi in reach of our vassal Mehmed and 2) Izzy will probably expand faster and better and that doesn't help us reach our goal faster.
Not sure how we can contain Izzy's expansion - unless we redeclare war with her and just camp along her northern borders. (note we don't want to take her out since that opens Mehmed to too much expansion).
Further thinking - can we let Mehmed out of vassalization so that he ceases to be at war with Ghandi?
You did a great job in taking out the two big D cities. You opened up the capital AND removed the copper + aluminum from Brennus' resource stack. I assume Mauryan is still around - so we should be careful of letting any naval units escape from there in the short term.
If our three stacks marching on the capital can't do it... well that's a bad sign!
Lets remember to NOT vassalize Brennus or Izzy. We can't afford to have either of them gunning for Ghandi. In fact if we can keep them angry with us they may feel some desire to help Ghandi. Doubtful since he's so darn backwards, but none the less we can hope.
In terms of Ghandi's expansion (yes I'm looking too far ahead), If we can encourage him to take our original northern cities, he'll get the elevator and some other well set up lands. The Alternative is to totally wipe out Brennus leaving Ghandi to populate those lands. The danger is two fold - 1) it puts Ghandi in reach of our vassal Mehmed and 2) Izzy will probably expand faster and better and that doesn't help us reach our goal faster.
Not sure how we can contain Izzy's expansion - unless we redeclare war with her and just camp along her northern borders. (note we don't want to take her out since that opens Mehmed to too much expansion).
Further thinking - can we let Mehmed out of vassalization so that he ceases to be at war with Ghandi?
Right, I'll get the boring part out of the way first:
Brennus is dead. Rest In Pieces, etc.
So that's one problem solved. Now things get more interesting: we have to find some way of persuading Gandhi to take over our northern homeland cities to use them for helping build the spaceship.
With that in mind (and feeling that the situation was fairly comfortable at that point) I moved all the units out of Birka near the beginning of the turnset, leaving it abandoned for Baldy. Result? He's been bombarding the defenses of the empty city with frigates ever since
Elsewhere he was a bit more proactive. Again, right at the beginning of the turnset, he sneakily landed and successfully captured the city of Kerkouane - and then promptly razed it.
And then of course he did the usual trick of sending his units out in different directions to pillage. I took offence at this so I removed them. Perhaps I should have been more welcoming, but if he is just going to raze our cities then that's crossing the line.
(BTW, the experience scared me slightly - due to the fact that many cities had only a single defender, often obsolete in tech - so I blew most of our cash on upgrading all our tired old defenders to shiny new ones. Don't worry, we're still making plenty of money)
So, any thoughts about how we wrap this game up? We have 98 turns in which to do it. With little immediate need for military production, I changed the builds at a number of cities to observatories or labs - i.e. stuff that might benefit Gandhi if he ever decides to do take them over. However, I was a little fatigued after all that fighting so I didn't put any great effort into it - the next player will certainly want to make some changes and improvements.
This is how things currently stand. Please take note of the Domination percentages - it would be embarrassing after coming this far to inadvertently trigger a Domination win!
EDIT:
. . . and stupidly long HOF log
Brennus is dead. Rest In Pieces, etc.
So that's one problem solved. Now things get more interesting: we have to find some way of persuading Gandhi to take over our northern homeland cities to use them for helping build the spaceship.
With that in mind (and feeling that the situation was fairly comfortable at that point) I moved all the units out of Birka near the beginning of the turnset, leaving it abandoned for Baldy. Result? He's been bombarding the defenses of the empty city with frigates ever since
Elsewhere he was a bit more proactive. Again, right at the beginning of the turnset, he sneakily landed and successfully captured the city of Kerkouane - and then promptly razed it.
And then of course he did the usual trick of sending his units out in different directions to pillage. I took offence at this so I removed them. Perhaps I should have been more welcoming, but if he is just going to raze our cities then that's crossing the line.
(BTW, the experience scared me slightly - due to the fact that many cities had only a single defender, often obsolete in tech - so I blew most of our cash on upgrading all our tired old defenders to shiny new ones. Don't worry, we're still making plenty of money)
So, any thoughts about how we wrap this game up? We have 98 turns in which to do it. With little immediate need for military production, I changed the builds at a number of cities to observatories or labs - i.e. stuff that might benefit Gandhi if he ever decides to do take them over. However, I was a little fatigued after all that fighting so I didn't put any great effort into it - the next player will certainly want to make some changes and improvements.
This is how things currently stand. Please take note of the Domination percentages - it would be embarrassing after coming this far to inadvertently trigger a Domination win!
SAVE
EDIT:
Spoiler Reasonably sensible autolog :
. . . and stupidly long HOF log
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Seems like a pretty good turnset! Great job finishing Brennus off. Although I know that he is running out of troops, but didn't expect you to finish in 10 turns
Yeah, I agree with Stopping Gandhi from pillaging. Either he take over the city or he can rot in space.
Got it (bobrath is OoP, so its me again).
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Yeah, I agree with Stopping Gandhi from pillaging. Either he take over the city or he can rot in space.
Got it (bobrath is OoP, so its me again).
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
War weariness is gone when Brennus is dead, so we can finally research something. I continued with genetics and then on to pursue Future Techs. This will give us extra happiness and health.
As far as I can tell, we have only one city capable of building missionaries. Keep the city pumping these and sent them down to Nidaros for an airlift to the new continent.
I set up a worker bait ... usually this trick would lure the defender out to grab the worker ... but not gandhi. Damned. The poor frightened worker is still there alone behind enemies' line.
I peeked into Gandhi's city ... he has load of troops in his capital ...
If only he would be a tad more aggressive. To make things more infuriating, his has tons of transport sitting in a city next to the capitol doing nothing.
stupid timid coward!
Worst, the only unit he landed mus be a gunship:
which promptly enters our empty city and destroyed our jet, but gunships can't capture cities!!!!
Then, Izzy must try to settler the former Celtic lands.
Un-uh, young lady. That vast stretch of land is reserved for baldy!
There can only be one response to this.
-- To be Continued --
As far as I can tell, we have only one city capable of building missionaries. Keep the city pumping these and sent them down to Nidaros for an airlift to the new continent.
I set up a worker bait ... usually this trick would lure the defender out to grab the worker ... but not gandhi. Damned. The poor frightened worker is still there alone behind enemies' line.
I peeked into Gandhi's city ... he has load of troops in his capital ...
If only he would be a tad more aggressive. To make things more infuriating, his has tons of transport sitting in a city next to the capitol doing nothing.
stupid timid coward!Worst, the only unit he landed mus be a gunship:
which promptly enters our empty city and destroyed our jet, but gunships can't capture cities!!!!
Then, Izzy must try to settler the former Celtic lands.
Un-uh, young lady. That vast stretch of land is reserved for baldy!There can only be one response to this.
-- To be Continued --
Spoiler CFC Extracted Log :
Spoiler HoF Autolog :
GreyFox
Make it so ...
In one swift motion, our MAs and Gunships parked in the north of Spain wiped out the settling party of Isabella. And our huge naval stack moved in, bombarded the city defense to zero in a sweeping action (with more firepower to spare), then the stealth bombers unloaded sh!t onto the city, and time for some amphibious clean-up.
This is what I called perfect execution of the Sirian Doctrine.
And no, I am not going to be shamed to death by triggering the domination, so burn, baby, burn!
Next year, another execution of the naval-bombard + stealth-air-strike + amphibious CR attacks:
And the next year, yet 1 more.
This is getting repetitious. So I stopped right there (actually, no more coastal cities). While the boys at sea are having fun repeating a drill they have perfected with countless practices, the ground troops were having fun of another sort on their own.
They set off to strip Isabella naked. And I really mean naked.
I did not razed these cities for two reasons. Actually only one, because I only knew the second one much later, so that is a great coincidence and luck. First reason is those two cities are helping us limit our borders (and keep us from creeping nearer to the domination limit).
The second reason is that Izzy is a vassal of Gandhi. I didn't realize this until I click on the foreign advisor screen (In fact the log revealed that she capitulated immediately after our declaration of war!). And luck has it that had we razed one more city, she would renounced Gandhi's protection.
Pretty symetrical, eh?
The bad thing is Gandhi is the worst in terms of techs. Let's hope Izzy will part some techs to him. To help Gandhi alone, I am building the Internet in Nidaros as well. The only issue of this plan is to coax Gandhi to capture our capitol ... which I don't know how to. He must be terrified of our power rating that he wouldn't dare invade
Fortunately, he is still willing to settle.
Exactly the same spot Izzy wanted. I must admit, that is a very ludicrous site. Go, Gandhi, Go!
This is what I called perfect execution of the Sirian Doctrine.
And no, I am not going to be shamed to death by triggering the domination, so burn, baby, burn!
Next year, another execution of the naval-bombard + stealth-air-strike + amphibious CR attacks:
And the next year, yet 1 more.
This is getting repetitious. So I stopped right there (actually, no more coastal cities). While the boys at sea are having fun repeating a drill they have perfected with countless practices, the ground troops were having fun of another sort on their own.
They set off to strip Isabella naked. And I really mean naked.
I did not razed these cities for two reasons. Actually only one, because I only knew the second one much later, so that is a great coincidence and luck. First reason is those two cities are helping us limit our borders (and keep us from creeping nearer to the domination limit).
The second reason is that Izzy is a vassal of Gandhi. I didn't realize this until I click on the foreign advisor screen (In fact the log revealed that she capitulated immediately after our declaration of war!). And luck has it that had we razed one more city, she would renounced Gandhi's protection.
Pretty symetrical, eh?
The bad thing is Gandhi is the worst in terms of techs. Let's hope Izzy will part some techs to him. To help Gandhi alone, I am building the Internet in Nidaros as well. The only issue of this plan is to coax Gandhi to capture our capitol ... which I don't know how to. He must be terrified of our power rating that he wouldn't dare invade
Fortunately, he is still willing to settle.
Exactly the same spot Izzy wanted. I must admit, that is a very ludicrous site. Go, Gandhi, Go!
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