Sorry RRAU, guess we need to move along then? 
Updated Roster:
Bede - UP
Sanabas - On Deck
Leif
Frederiksberg
Cactus Pete
Gator
RRAU -
Updated Roster:
Bede - UP
Sanabas - On Deck
Leif
Frederiksberg
Cactus Pete
Gator
RRAU -
SGOTM 04 - Xteam
- Thread starter AlanH
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Here's an update at five turns in:
Feeding technology to Gandhi through Isabella seems to work as he is starting to catch up based on what has been given her so I will keep it up. The big issue seems to be his shortage of Industrial resources.
Mehmed, Hannibal and Washington are having a little tech feast, so the only bribe left for a war declaration from Mehmed is Railroad. Using it as bait means we will face Machine Guns as his defenders, if he has any upgradeable grenadiers or the money to do it, when the war with Mehmed starts - costly with only Grenadiers and cannon in the city assault forces. Use it anyway?
Isabella is being a witch as she closed the borders on the interturn and cancelled all the trade deals.
Gandhi is trying to rip our navy a new one again in the straits and along the east coast. Need to get more ironclads in those waters. No sign of a build up to an invasion though.
Finish up tomorrow and will pass along a war with Mehmed if all concur that we continue with the effort to break up the other bloc.
Feeding technology to Gandhi through Isabella seems to work as he is starting to catch up based on what has been given her so I will keep it up. The big issue seems to be his shortage of Industrial resources.
Mehmed, Hannibal and Washington are having a little tech feast, so the only bribe left for a war declaration from Mehmed is Railroad. Using it as bait means we will face Machine Guns as his defenders, if he has any upgradeable grenadiers or the money to do it, when the war with Mehmed starts - costly with only Grenadiers and cannon in the city assault forces. Use it anyway?
Isabella is being a witch as she closed the borders on the interturn and cancelled all the trade deals.
Gandhi is trying to rip our navy a new one again in the straits and along the east coast. Need to get more ironclads in those waters. No sign of a build up to an invasion though.
Finish up tomorrow and will pass along a war with Mehmed if all concur that we continue with the effort to break up the other bloc.
I think we have to break up that block. I'm not sure I see much choice?
I see no reason to make the trade until we are in position to attack (and hopefully take at least one city before M can start cranking out machine guns).
Frederiksberg
Deity
If you trade Railroad at the last moment before we are ready to attack he has no time to get many machine guns. We can probably take a city with an amphibious attack in the same turn we declare. From the discussion before our attack on Bibracte you can see how it can be done. Don't forget to trade Railroad to Washington and Hannibal as well for some of the techs we are missing (Rifling and Physics would be my preferred choices). Regarding our naval war with Gandhi we should soon know combustion and thus have destroyers. That would help us a lot. I'm not a big fan of Ironclads because they are limited to coastal waters and water tiles within cultural borders.
It's very nice that techs are finding their way to Gandhi through Izzy. We should take care to feed her only techs that Gandhi needs and only when he has some techs he can trade back to Izzy. The last thing we want is that Izzy becomes more advanced than Gandhi because it will end the need for her to trade with him.
It's very nice that techs are finding their way to Gandhi through Izzy. We should take care to feed her only techs that Gandhi needs and only when he has some techs he can trade back to Izzy. The last thing we want is that Izzy becomes more advanced than Gandhi because it will end the need for her to trade with him.
If Railroad gets discovered and traded around, our scheme is dead as Combustion needs to be held for as long as possible. 
Good luck Brother Bede.
Good luck Brother Bede.
Frederiksberg
Deity
If Railroad gets discovered and traded around, our scheme is dead as Combustion needs to be held for as long as possible.
Yes, I know. Since we have to trade Railroad to Mehmed anyway I think we might as well trade it to everyone and get some techs out of it before the Confucian block has another trade feast.
Yes, I agree with this. It wasn't my concern. I'm more worried about how long it will take to set up for an attack before we do the
Frederiksberg
Deity
Ah - now I understand what you are getting at. It's sometimes possible to get an idea of how close other civs are to a given tech by checking how much they will offer in return in a deal. If this suddenly drops you can be certain that they are close to getting the tech through own research.
All noted. The war with Mehmed may go off half-cocked as the frigates to provide the sea barrage are not in position and a long way off from being there and a lot of them are tied to picket duty on fishing nets until they can be replaced by ironclads or I can get 'clads built to provide coastal defense bombardment and free up the frigates to provide troop transport cover. 'Course by the time all that is done we will have destroyers at sea anyway.
I do have active scouting going on around Mehmed's coasts just to see what he is up to.
I do have active scouting going on around Mehmed's coasts just to see what he is up to.
War with Mehmed and control of the seas
(I took a full twenty as I wanted to get the war with Mehmed well underway)
I was greeted by this sourpuss
who also canceled the OB agreement. Witch!
And then Gandhi played hob with the picket fleet
Yours is coming, Mahatma!
When Railroad came in the best I could do was this.
Washington already had it and Mehmed had Steel so I went ahead with the Railroad for war and Free Religion backstab
but delayed starting the war with Mehmed because this fleet appeared en route to our continent.
Crafty poofter must have been waiting for something like this because it didn't take long for him to get organised for invasion. Since I wanted him to commit those forces to India before declaring I shadowed the boats until he landed the troops at Bangalore. I did keep dailing him up and relieving him of his spare change. Seems he had no grenadiers to upgrade, anyway, and no money to buy any, either.
Every chance I got I buttered up Isabella, she still doesn't like us very much.
Once Mehmed had committed his troops at Bangalore I launched the attack on Erdrine
Changed the tactics a little as there were not eough frigates to provide covering fire. Kept the most heavily promoted amphib troops on the boats and landed the cannon and a machine gun along with some ground pounding grenadiers outside the town. Mehmed burned all his seige engines without much effect on the landing force and once the cannon had done the job on the defenses the amphib grenadiers struck and took the town with no casualties
Burned and returned to the ships with the plunder. No further sign of Mehmed's army.
The fleet then sailed down the coast to await the arriving destroyers that had been cleaning up Mehmed's fleet in the open ocean to the NW.
Newly upgraded ships swept Gandhi from the straits
You will note no sign of Mehmed's landing force and the Great General residing in Bangalore
and the coast in the west and the south, but not before he made a small landing in the north
The longbow did not last very long against the cavalry and two slaves were captured.
On the domestic front I built an town on the desert oil to the east, got the railnet started and the most productive mines railed.
Vienne expanded to capture the American oil
Out Great Person turned out to be an Artist
He can lightbulb us toward Democracy or be hsipped overseas to pacify Ottomans. As the Emancipation anger is growing by leaps and bounds we may want to use him on Democracy as it is doubtful any trades for it will come up anytime soon.
The science wallahs are carrying us toward Assembly Line once the fleet was upgraded to destroyer level but I am keeping enough cash flow in reserve to upgrade galleons to transports as the troops to fill them are available.
Other than some Homeland Defense forces, mostly cavalry and some static defense (Machine Gunners with Combat 1 and Medic promotions) little trrop training was done as the cities are working on their Univeristies. The last needed for Oxford should finish on the IT.
The Ironworks is there for the building and would make a fine addition to our Celtic or Ottoman holdings (once we get some).
The Vikings are doing just fine, the Indians not so well. Gandhi lacks both critical resources and trading partners. Moving our empire to the east would be painful as we have done a fine job of developing the homeland so we must make all deliberate speed towards an ultimate goal of removing Hannibal from the planet so Gandhi has a place to go. Now that we have destroyers Gandhi's navy is unlikely to venture to the southeast, though he can still cross the strait in the north with a small landing force as it is a single move from Bangalore. Load and drop on the second turn and scurry back into port.
Preserve the CR promoted amphibs as much as you can. Getting them upgraded to Infantry will be huge as we move around the horn to Hannibal's lands.
Updated Roster:
Sanabas - UP
Leif - on deck
Frederiksberg
Cactus Pete
Gator
RRAU - hurting for a computer
Bede - just finished all the damage he could do in twenty turns.
(I took a full twenty as I wanted to get the war with Mehmed well underway)
I was greeted by this sourpuss
who also canceled the OB agreement. Witch!
And then Gandhi played hob with the picket fleet
Yours is coming, Mahatma!
When Railroad came in the best I could do was this.
Washington already had it and Mehmed had Steel so I went ahead with the Railroad for war and Free Religion backstab
but delayed starting the war with Mehmed because this fleet appeared en route to our continent.
Crafty poofter must have been waiting for something like this because it didn't take long for him to get organised for invasion. Since I wanted him to commit those forces to India before declaring I shadowed the boats until he landed the troops at Bangalore. I did keep dailing him up and relieving him of his spare change. Seems he had no grenadiers to upgrade, anyway, and no money to buy any, either.
Every chance I got I buttered up Isabella, she still doesn't like us very much.
Once Mehmed had committed his troops at Bangalore I launched the attack on Erdrine
Changed the tactics a little as there were not eough frigates to provide covering fire. Kept the most heavily promoted amphib troops on the boats and landed the cannon and a machine gun along with some ground pounding grenadiers outside the town. Mehmed burned all his seige engines without much effect on the landing force and once the cannon had done the job on the defenses the amphib grenadiers struck and took the town with no casualties
Burned and returned to the ships with the plunder. No further sign of Mehmed's army.
The fleet then sailed down the coast to await the arriving destroyers that had been cleaning up Mehmed's fleet in the open ocean to the NW.
Newly upgraded ships swept Gandhi from the straits
You will note no sign of Mehmed's landing force and the Great General residing in Bangalore
and the coast in the west and the south, but not before he made a small landing in the north
The longbow did not last very long against the cavalry and two slaves were captured.
On the domestic front I built an town on the desert oil to the east, got the railnet started and the most productive mines railed.
Vienne expanded to capture the American oil
Out Great Person turned out to be an Artist
He can lightbulb us toward Democracy or be hsipped overseas to pacify Ottomans. As the Emancipation anger is growing by leaps and bounds we may want to use him on Democracy as it is doubtful any trades for it will come up anytime soon.
The science wallahs are carrying us toward Assembly Line once the fleet was upgraded to destroyer level but I am keeping enough cash flow in reserve to upgrade galleons to transports as the troops to fill them are available.
Other than some Homeland Defense forces, mostly cavalry and some static defense (Machine Gunners with Combat 1 and Medic promotions) little trrop training was done as the cities are working on their Univeristies. The last needed for Oxford should finish on the IT.
The Ironworks is there for the building and would make a fine addition to our Celtic or Ottoman holdings (once we get some).
The Vikings are doing just fine, the Indians not so well. Gandhi lacks both critical resources and trading partners. Moving our empire to the east would be painful as we have done a fine job of developing the homeland so we must make all deliberate speed towards an ultimate goal of removing Hannibal from the planet so Gandhi has a place to go. Now that we have destroyers Gandhi's navy is unlikely to venture to the southeast, though he can still cross the strait in the north with a small landing force as it is a single move from Bangalore. Load and drop on the second turn and scurry back into port.
Preserve the CR promoted amphibs as much as you can. Getting them upgraded to Infantry will be huge as we move around the horn to Hannibal's lands.
Updated Roster:
Sanabas - UP
Leif - on deck
Frederiksberg
Cactus Pete
Gator
RRAU - hurting for a computer
Bede - just finished all the damage he could do in twenty turns.
Interesting turn set. Game has certainly moved along. Wish I had time to examine the save right now.
Pleased we got the oil for Vienne. I've never tried anything like that.
We can always research Democracy, but there is no other way to produce a culture bomb other than by an artist, so that usage should be given serious consideration.
Bede, do you have any sense of what damage Mehmed has inflicted on Gandhi?
Pleased we got the oil for Vienne. I've never tried anything like that.
We can always research Democracy, but there is no other way to produce a culture bomb other than by an artist, so that usage should be given serious consideration.
Bede, do you have any sense of what damage Mehmed has inflicted on Gandhi?
Nice work Old Warhorse! 
Thanks for the roster as well. Haven't heard from Sanabas in some time so we'll wait 24 hours to change anything.
Washington appears to have Combustion. Hannibal isn't trading for it either so he must be very close to getting it?
Before we can think about taking on Hannibal, I think we need to have Infantry and Artillery. At the same time, we really need Democracy and Emancipation. Some of our core cities have 6 to 8 unhappiness because they are protesting for Emancipation. (cry babies!) The mid-sized cities are at -4 and climbing. That has to be costing us in research time.
The Great Artist will provide 2256 beakers towards Democracy, speeding it up by about 3 turns, 4 instead of 7. Seems like he would better be used as a culture bomb? I was thinking about Uppsala but it won't do any good there.
I think we should consider changing to Democracy, back to Assembly Line, then Physics and Artillery. I was thinking of Biology, but Hannibal has it and the trading environment seems to be getting less friendly.
Got to go, will look more later when I have time.
Frederiksberg
Deity
Had a very brief look at the save.
Very nice to see that we have already claimed the oil near Vienne. This is probably the key to depriving Hannibal of oil. Washington now has only one oil resource on land and Izzy is not on good terms with Hannibal so she is not likely to trade her excess oil. Without oil Hannibal can't build any strong armored units or airborn units and we should be able to take him on with infantry and artillery. Only problem is if he gets battleships before we do.
Emancipation unhappyness is currently responsible for 6 angry citizens in total and we should think about researching Democracy soon as Leif suggests. Wether we should use our GA for bulbing this is not clear though. He migth come in handy to expand culture in one of our captured Ottoman cities. When war is over we might have a captured city that is suffering from heavy cultural pressure and that could be handled with the GA.
I think Bibracte could benefit from some MM'ing. I'd like to fire the specialists and start working the grassland towns in order to increase growth. We have a considerable number of units that are stranded in one of our Celtic cities. A couple of transports or galleons could fetch them and bring them to the battlefield.
Very nice to see that we have already claimed the oil near Vienne. This is probably the key to depriving Hannibal of oil. Washington now has only one oil resource on land and Izzy is not on good terms with Hannibal so she is not likely to trade her excess oil. Without oil Hannibal can't build any strong armored units or airborn units and we should be able to take him on with infantry and artillery. Only problem is if he gets battleships before we do.
Emancipation unhappyness is currently responsible for 6 angry citizens in total and we should think about researching Democracy soon as Leif suggests. Wether we should use our GA for bulbing this is not clear though. He migth come in handy to expand culture in one of our captured Ottoman cities. When war is over we might have a captured city that is suffering from heavy cultural pressure and that could be handled with the GA.
I think Bibracte could benefit from some MM'ing. I'd like to fire the specialists and start working the grassland towns in order to increase growth. We have a considerable number of units that are stranded in one of our Celtic cities. A couple of transports or galleons could fetch them and bring them to the battlefield.
Isabella is such a freak I wanted to have troopers on hand to keep her from getting shirty. Hence the stranded troops. Now that some of the Celtic towns can pick up the burden of training garrison troops they can should be moved. Once Istanbul falls we can upgrade a couple of galleons and go pick them up.
As I think on it keeping the GA around to bust out a newly captured town, especially one of those nicely developed Ottoman ones, while we research Democracy seems the best plan. I don't mind unhappy faces as much as land I can't work because the borders won't blow out and the city is resisting.
As I think on it keeping the GA around to bust out a newly captured town, especially one of those nicely developed Ottoman ones, while we research Democracy seems the best plan. I don't mind unhappy faces as much as land I can't work because the borders won't blow out and the city is resisting.
Frederiksberg
Deity
Ah, yes - but wouldn't our lead in power make her think twice before attacking us? I think I would have gambled on that and sent all available grenadiers and cannons towards Mehmed's cities. Anyway there is still plenty of time to get them involved in the battle, I think.
Well, I finally have found time to look at the save, and I don't have much to add to the above comments.
I agree that we need Democracy and Emancipation . . . would add that we should look at each city to decide if it would be effective to use slavery one last time there. If so, in some cases better sooner than later, since, with Emancipation, there may no longer be unhappy citizens there. Rushing a transport in Verlamion strikes me as one good parting use.
Ottoman frigate and galleon near Tartar concern me a bit. There is an ironclad down our east coast that could be upgraded (and all our ironclads should eventually be upgrade, as they lack both power and flexibility).
Thinking GA might eventually be helpful in Ankara.
Would the Hermitage be helpful in holding onto the oil?
When we go after Hannibal, we are going to have to keep an eye on the 64% land domination requirement.
Does Bede have any recent information on what is defending the Ottoman cities? Without that, it's difficult to know when and how to attack. Attacking sooner than later is usually a good idea, but not when at a significant tactical disadvantage.
Why aren't the workers SW of Nidaros building railroads or drilling a well north of Birka?
I agree that we need Democracy and Emancipation . . . would add that we should look at each city to decide if it would be effective to use slavery one last time there. If so, in some cases better sooner than later, since, with Emancipation, there may no longer be unhappy citizens there. Rushing a transport in Verlamion strikes me as one good parting use.
Ottoman frigate and galleon near Tartar concern me a bit. There is an ironclad down our east coast that could be upgraded (and all our ironclads should eventually be upgrade, as they lack both power and flexibility).
Thinking GA might eventually be helpful in Ankara.
Would the Hermitage be helpful in holding onto the oil?
When we go after Hannibal, we are going to have to keep an eye on the 64% land domination requirement.
Does Bede have any recent information on what is defending the Ottoman cities? Without that, it's difficult to know when and how to attack. Attacking sooner than later is usually a good idea, but not when at a significant tactical disadvantage.
Why aren't the workers SW of Nidaros building railroads or drilling a well north of Birka?
Quoth CP: "Why aren't the workers SW of Nidaros building railroads or drilling a well north of Birka?"
Looks like they are cooping, and they probably are. Oops. I thought I had gathered up all the workers before sending them out to drive spikes, but those dudes escaped my notice.
Looks like they are cooping, and they probably are. Oops. I thought I had gathered up all the workers before sending them out to drive spikes, but those dudes escaped my notice.
Roster change:
Leif - UP
Frederiksberg - On Deck
Cactus Pete
Gator
RRAU
Bede
Sanabas
I hope to play tomorrow night.
A To-Do list would look something like:
1. Press the attack in Ottoman territory.
2. Change research to Democracy and change to Emancipation civic. Then back to Assembly Line, Physics and Artillery; although I will only see Democracy and a little more on Assembly Line.
3. Great Artist heading for Ankara? I thought we were thinking about razing it? With the Great Artist it is a keeper then, while Samsun can go. SHould we leave Samsun with Mehmed if we can get a tech for peace and wait 10 turns to destroy him?
4. I think Hermatige in Vienne is a good idea.
5. There is a Transport and five Galleons in Old Sarai. We can send some to Verlamion to fetch the troops. Checked and it will almost be as many turns to pop-rush one there as 5 citizens are required atm, only 4 available.
6. I see the Ottoman Frigate and Galleon near Tartar. Hope they landed the troops that Gandhi already dealt with? What do you think Brother Bede?
7. Agree we should encourage Bibracte to grow, and get some income there as well. This will be even more effective when Globe Theater completes and/or we get Emancipation.
8. I went through the cities and:
Vienne is a pop-rush possibility for a Forge as we set up for Hermitage.
Gergovia is a possibility, rushing the Harbor.
Verlamion rushing a Library.
Tartar could rush a Courthouse.
Other additions?
Leif - UP
Frederiksberg - On Deck
Cactus Pete
Gator
RRAU
Bede
Sanabas
I hope to play tomorrow night.
A To-Do list would look something like:
1. Press the attack in Ottoman territory.
2. Change research to Democracy and change to Emancipation civic. Then back to Assembly Line, Physics and Artillery; although I will only see Democracy and a little more on Assembly Line.
3. Great Artist heading for Ankara? I thought we were thinking about razing it? With the Great Artist it is a keeper then, while Samsun can go. SHould we leave Samsun with Mehmed if we can get a tech for peace and wait 10 turns to destroy him?
4. I think Hermatige in Vienne is a good idea.
5. There is a Transport and five Galleons in Old Sarai. We can send some to Verlamion to fetch the troops. Checked and it will almost be as many turns to pop-rush one there as 5 citizens are required atm, only 4 available.
6. I see the Ottoman Frigate and Galleon near Tartar. Hope they landed the troops that Gandhi already dealt with? What do you think Brother Bede?
7. Agree we should encourage Bibracte to grow, and get some income there as well. This will be even more effective when Globe Theater completes and/or we get Emancipation.
8. I went through the cities and:
Vienne is a pop-rush possibility for a Forge as we set up for Hermitage.
Gergovia is a possibility, rushing the Harbor.
Verlamion rushing a Library.
Tartar could rush a Courthouse.
Other additions?
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