SGOTM 06 - Geezers

markh · Mar 5, 2008

Nice set, Erik. :goodjob:

I lost track on the progress. How many cities does Mansa have now ? Hanni is down to Athens and the newly founded city ? If we go South again we should have a stack big enough to clear the complete area which is Athens, the new city of Hanni and the icy city of Alex ? All cities down there should be rather small and lightly defended. Athens did not have any tile improvements and was down to 1 pop when I handed over the game, so there cannot be much. After clearing the South we should station troops at the coast to see any incoming ships from the overseas AIs.

erikthecelt · Mar 5, 2008

Harbourboy said:
Hmm, you seem to have made some excellent progress in only 10 turns. Do we currently have what it takes to get Gao? Any other dangers to watch out for?

Yes - that's a big stack one tile short of Gao with enough cats to bombard it down to 0 in 2-3 turns. After that, suicide cats until you start to get odds better than 65%. There are 2 C4 WE in stack along with some maces, I also have a sentry WE, so you can see anythign coming. Gao has 3 LB and 1 skirmisher. There were 2 cats and 1 treb popping in and out of the city. As long as you do it quickly it should be no problem. There is a settler ther as well.

I would go north with the stack and keep hitting Mansa. Chop as many trees as you can. No whipping unless you need to defend, then whip archers or xbows. Defenses are a bit thin because it's more important to take Gao than keep some cities.

I was expecting Utica to be a hard nut to crack but perhaps some of the defence went to Hanny's new city?

No, there was still a musket or 2 and the LB outside the city. It was bad luck lossing all 4 cats and the sword was +90%. We should have had a couple more units left over but that's the RNG favouring the AI.

I lost track on the progress. How many cities does Mansa have now ? Hanni is down to Athens and the newly founded city ? If we go South again we should have a stack big enough to clear the complete area which is Athens, the new city of Hanni and the icy city of Alex ? All cities down there should be rather small and lightly defended. Athens did not have any tile improvements and was down to 1 pop when I handed over the game, so there cannot be much. After clearing the South we should station troops at the coast to see any incoming ships from the overseas AIs.

Mansa still has 3 cities that I can see but he's producing settlers (better than muskets :crazyeye:

). Gao should fall in 5/6 turns. We need to focus on taking out Mansa's last 2 large cities and then we can go on the cleanup. Priority has to be given to taking out Timbuktu, then Cherokee and the north. After Timbuktu we can clean up everything else.

1 turnset for Gao, 1 for the coast city and 1 for Timbuktu.

Harbourboy · Mar 6, 2008

IBT: Nothing

1553 AD: Moved stack to Gao, which now has 6 longbowmen and a skirmisher.

IBT: Nothing

1556 AD: Bombarded Gao to 51%. Now has 7 longbowmen and a settler.

IBT: Carthaginian longbowman kills Worker near Pharsalos.

1559 AD: Bombard Gao to 2%. It will have 8 longbowmen by next turn.

IBT: : Nothing. Except a Malinese catapult and two trebuchets appears next to Djenne.

1562 AD: Took and razed Gao for the loss of 6 catapults. May lose isolated spearman next turn. Just noticed that this stack has two supermedics. If only their effects were cumulative. War Elephant and 2 catapults deal with the Djenne threat for no loss.

IBT: Nothing.

1565 AD: Move troops and heal.

IBT: Nothing.

1568 AD: Move troops and heal. Next target is Timbuktu. Reinforcements arriving via Djenne but it's slow progress rebuilding the stack.

IBT: Cyrus invades Nottingham with a Frigate and Galleon. Luckily it was only carrying 3 catapults. I hate how the AI has a psychic radar as to what the most lightly defended cities are.

1571 AD: Send reinforcements to Nottingham.

IBT: Cyrus pillages our copper mine, bombards Nottingham, and suicides a catapult. A barbarian axe is wandering near Iron City, readying himself to pillage our iron or gold. :mad:

1574 AD: Maceman kills Persian catapult. A catapult kills the other Persian catapult. Some troops divert to Iron City.

I might stop there because it's a convenient point for the next person to start planning the fall of Timbuktu and also we need decisions on how much effort we are going to put into repelling other invaders. Here is the screenshot:

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm6/Geezers_SG006_AD1574_01.CivWarlordsSave

Sam_Yeager · Mar 6, 2008

Looking at the save it appears that our stack has returned to Djenne to heal. In addition it seems that Alex has captured the barb city to the south of Iron city.

Once our stack has healed I propose to go south and raze both Hanny's and Alex's new cities. Frankly I would quite like to wipe out the AI in the south but I haven't got time to do that in my turnset.

I realise that this will give Mansa more time to regroup but I think we just can't go on having Alex and Hanny sprout up to harrass us.

erikthecelt · Mar 6, 2008

Sam, I think you finish Mansa off. Keep Waleta and Timbuktu. They are much more prductive than Alex and Hanni. We don''t have time to wander all over the place playing wack a mole. If we take Waleta and Timbuktu we have a solid shape and core that's not vulnerable.

Don't raze them, we need to keep them. Also Carthage needs some MM and the workers should be chopping trees or building farms. There's no point in building cottages, we are better off using the ones that the AI grew for us.

Harbourboy · Mar 6, 2008

I definitely agree that you want to keep going on Mansa. His cities are the most developed and useful, and more importantly, Timbuktu is only a few moves away from where our stack is right now.

The bigger issue is that we are completely doomed once one of the overseas AI lands their big stack (which can't be far off).

How on earth did those other teams manage to win so quickly?

erikthecelt · Mar 6, 2008

Warrior rush - might have found Timbuktu empty.

The-Hawk · Mar 6, 2008

Harbourboy said:
I definitely agree that you want to keep going on Mansa. His cities are the most developed and useful, and more importantly, Timbuktu is only a few moves away from where our stack is right now.

What he said...

go for whoever is closest.

Harbourboy · Mar 6, 2008

What else have we done wrong in this game? It does look like we have been the worst of all the teams, so our mistakes must be glaring.

markh · Mar 7, 2008

We should kill off the AIs one by one now, so I agree to keep attacking Mansa as our stack is already there.

Cyrus has frigates, so he has chemistry -> grens. This is not good. :mischief:

erikthecelt · Mar 7, 2008

Harbourboy said:
What else have we done wrong in this game? It does look like we have been the worst of all the teams, so our mistakes must be glaring.

Looking at the power curve we were doing fine until 1100. The biggest mistakes in my mind were not keeping that first Greek city and trying to retake Athens at the same time as Timbuktu and Carthage. we bit off more than we could chew there.

We'll learn a lot more once we finish this game and can read the other threads. I expect the teams that did well did not build graneries or barracks at the beginning, just units. Also, we needed to run some scientists somewhere and avoid mysticism so that we could bulb Astro with 2 GS.

erikthecelt · Mar 7, 2008

markh said:
We should kill off the AIs one by one now, so I agree to keep attacking Mansa as our stack is already there.

Cyrus has frigates, so he has chemistry -> grens. This is not good.

We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

Winston Churchill :spear:

markh · Mar 7, 2008

erikthecelt said:
We'll learn a lot more once we finish this game and can read the other threads. I expect the teams that did well did not build graneries or barracks at the beginning, just units. Also, we needed to run some scientists somewhere and avoid mysticism so that we could bulb Astro with 2 GS.

The fastest teams will have settled in place -> copper in BFC -> axes -> dead AIs !

Sam_Yeager · Mar 8, 2008

Since I'm outvoted the revised plan is to heal and then head north to Timbuktu.

Sam_Yeager · Mar 8, 2008

1774 AD - 1610 AD

Summary
Feudalism learnt. Timbuktu captured. Mansa now has grens.

Turn 328 - 1574 AD
Move wounded units into Djenne. Whip Utica courthouse for 3 pop.

Turn 329 - 1577 AD
Notts forge -> cat, Hippo barracks -> cat, Utica courthouse -> barracks. WE kills Mansa musket by Hippo. Attack barb axe on gold with cat. Cat withdraws. Barb mace moves to rice by Kumbi.

IBT: Barb axe pillages Iron city gold.

Turn 330 - 1580 AD
Carthage Xbow -> WE. Djenne stack moves towards Timbuktu. Xbow kills barb axe.

Turn 331 - 1583 AD
London WE -> mace, Iron city mace -> cat. Stack continues towards Timbuktu. Defence is currently 2 CG2 LBs and one CG LB.

IBT: Cyrus returns with two frigates, a galleon and caravel to bombard Notts.

Turn 332 - 1586 AD
Kill barb mace by Kumbi.

IBT: Mansa produces a settler in Timbuktu. :rolleyes:

Turn 333 - 1589 AD
Pharsalos cat -> cat, Notts cat -> mace. Notice Mansa gren to south of Walata.

Research to 20%.

Turn 334 - 1592 AD
London mace -> mace, York Xbow ->cat, Iron city cat -> cat. Start bombarding Timbuktu.

Turn 335 - 1595 AD
Kumbi mace -> WE. Continue bombarding Timbuktu.

Turn 336 - 1598 AD
Hippo cat -> cat, Timbuktu now 4 Lbs and 2 grens. Take Timbuktu for loss of 2 mace, 1 WE and six cats. Those grens are definitely a pain. Whip Djenne courthouse for 3 pop. Research to 30%.

IBT: Barb HA pillages Carthage horses.

Turn 337 - 1601 AD
York cat -> cat, Djenne courthouse -> cat. Carthage WE -> WE. WE kills isolated Mansa LB.

Turn 338 - 1604 AD
London mace -> mace, Iron city cat -> cat, Pharsalos cat -> cat. Dispatch some cats towards Timbuktu.

Turn 339 - 1607 AD
Kill barb mace by Djenne.

Turn 340 - 1610 AD
Feudalism -> Guilds. Notts mace -> cat, Utica barracks -> cat. Notice Alex musket heading north.

Spoiler Turn log :

Sam_Yeager · Mar 8, 2008

Spoiler Game log :

I'm not sure if AgedOne is still on skip. If so then erik is next in The-Hawk's absence.

Harbourboy · Mar 8, 2008

Do we have any chance of winning this game?

erikthecelt · Mar 9, 2008

Got it, I'll play later today. Looks like Walata is next up (or down).

AgedOne · Mar 9, 2008

Yep. Just checking in - my only free day in the middle of 2 weeks of constant busy.
I would assume I'm out of commission until next Sunday, as far as playing a turnset goes.
I'll drop in to read when I can.
Looks like we're still moving nicely on the progress chart!

erikthecelt · Mar 9, 2008

Turn 0 – 1610
IBT –

Turn 1 – 1613
York cat – LB
IBT

Turn 2 – 1616
London mace-mace, kumbi cat – cat IC cat-cat
IBT

Turn 3 – 1619
Carthage WE-Library
IBT

Turn 4 – 1622
Timbuktu – whip Courthouse
IBT

Turn 5 – 1625
Tim Courthouse-Library
Mali terminated - keep Walata
Convert to Judaism (Djenne, Hippo, Pharsalos, Walata and Timbuktu)

Turn 6 – 1628
Take Leptis
IBT

Turn 7 – 1631
London Mace – monastery, hire 2 scientists
Kumbi – cat – courthouse
IBT

Turn 8 - 1634

Turn 9 – 1637
Pharsalos cat – courthouse
Raze Teoh

Turn 9 - 1640
Nott – Mace – courthouse
Carthage – whip library
Raze Thapsis

Turn 10 1643
Carthage library – forge

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