culdeus
Emperor
I'll put together some plan tomorrow an try to play tomorrow night.
SGOTM 07 - Fifth Element
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culdeus
Emperor
I haven't gotten a chance to look at this yet. I'll dl the save and peek around and take some shots tonight. Any other comments would be great.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
A bit busy in the last few days, just the time to watch our thread.
Spent a couple hours watching TV tonight, ehh Dutch?
i hope we can meet again.
IMO we must gain money from trades, not spend it.
If we wanna improve relations with Wash we can give him Edu for Engineering and some money (he offered HBR, so this can be a fair trade), then try to trade something less than Lib to Cyrus for Drama.
I recommend to never simply give a tech, but to accept some little cash or a WM: for what i know this gives the "fair trade" bonus, not the gift.
About our pace: i think we must be a little more speedy.
We're playin' too slow, i think that a swap is not a shame, the 24/72 rule must be respected, or we risk to not finish before July 24th, especially if we need to discuss some crisis.
Spent a couple hours watching TV tonight, ehh Dutch?
i hope we can meet again.IMO we must gain money from trades, not spend it.
If we wanna improve relations with Wash we can give him Edu for Engineering and some money (he offered HBR, so this can be a fair trade), then try to trade something less than Lib to Cyrus for Drama.
I recommend to never simply give a tech, but to accept some little cash or a WM: for what i know this gives the "fair trade" bonus, not the gift.
About our pace: i think we must be a little more speedy.
We're playin' too slow, i think that a swap is not a shame, the 24/72 rule must be respected, or we risk to not finish before July 24th, especially if we need to discuss some crisis.
culdeus
Emperor
I could certainly go tonight if you trust me to give it a go myself.
culdeus
Emperor
I didn't even notice we'd found Cyrus. Wasn't paying close enough attention. Should I get his map? He'll take it for our map.
Looking for any other comments. Inclined to get another boat out after the NE to raise the chances of trading for GPT and/or spread our trading around more.
Need a good tech trading strategy. Especially in regards with alien civs.
Looking for any other comments. Inclined to get another boat out after the NE to raise the chances of trading for GPT and/or spread our trading around more.
Need a good tech trading strategy. Especially in regards with alien civs.
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Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
**back, for the moment**
Liberalism.. very nice.
I'm detecting the dreaded mid-game dedication slump, here, by the unusual lack of posts. It's understandable, but we just have to push on and keep moving toward the macro-plan. I am able to play again, for the next few days. (my friends are calling me High Plains Drifter right now 
)
Have we decided on Physics, an hence obsoleting the GL? I'd personally prefer to open up DPs asap, so that's my vote before going to physics. As for diplo, there are 2 options. 1. Explore quickly to get the lay of relations and trade with the civs/factions that benefit us most.
2. Gift or near gift to every civ at first meeting for a +4 bonus and just work at getting the world tech pace as high as possible. This was my approach in my wins, but I'd like to hear what others did.
One other thing to think about is expanding our PAs land - we've got some time on this, but it should be kept in mind. I get the feeling it might be hard to easily do this to Washo, but we'll see.
I wouldn't mind another boat after NE... but I've been calling for naval defence since day 1.
Liberalism.. very nice.
I'm detecting the dreaded mid-game dedication slump, here, by the unusual lack of posts. It's understandable, but we just have to push on and keep moving toward the macro-plan. I am able to play again, for the next few days. (my friends are calling me High Plains Drifter right now )Have we decided on Physics, an hence obsoleting the GL? I'd personally prefer to open up DPs asap, so that's my vote before going to physics. As for diplo, there are 2 options. 1. Explore quickly to get the lay of relations and trade with the civs/factions that benefit us most.
2. Gift or near gift to every civ at first meeting for a +4 bonus and just work at getting the world tech pace as high as possible. This was my approach in my wins, but I'd like to hear what others did.
One other thing to think about is expanding our PAs land - we've got some time on this, but it should be kept in mind. I get the feeling it might be hard to easily do this to Washo, but we'll see.
I wouldn't mind another boat after NE... but I've been calling for naval defence since day 1.
hopefully we'll get nationalism/music 1 turn before finishing SciMethod. Then we can go for MilTrad/DPs. Let's wait and see.
Is a water invasion likely? I think the AI will choose a land attack since there are so many choices. I wasn't thinking we'd ever build another boat (other than workboat).
Is a water invasion likely? I think the AI will choose a land attack since there are so many choices. I wasn't thinking we'd ever build another boat (other than workboat).
culdeus
Emperor
For Sci Method we still need
Engineering
Guilds
Gunpowder
Chemistry
After Printing Press completes
Of course cyrus has all this except maybe chemistry in trade (though not available).
There is a great scientist to use as well.
Would propose
Finish NE
Start and finish WB for whale to trade away
Road and mine iron after finishing cottage
Tech trades? I'll review what's been posted before. I think if this Physics gambit is to take place we will be self researching guilds after trading for engineering.
Engineering
Guilds
Gunpowder
Chemistry
After Printing Press completes
Of course cyrus has all this except maybe chemistry in trade (though not available).
There is a great scientist to use as well.
Would propose
Finish NE
Start and finish WB for whale to trade away
Road and mine iron after finishing cottage
Tech trades? I'll review what's been posted before. I think if this Physics gambit is to take place we will be self researching guilds after trading for engineering.
culdeus
Emperor
Ok so consensus is to trade or even straight up gift lib to liz so she'll go to free religion. Getting Drama and Engineering allows us to start Guilds ourself the next turn. I did not check if anyone has that up for trade.
We don't need any of those techs to get SciMeth. No guilds! It's already reasearched by some AI. Start SciMeth next turn after Priniting Press.
Don't give Liz FreeRel yet. We aren't in that big of a hurry to get the relations with her (just Asoka). Wait until we get something for it like guilds.
More Cottages next instead of iron. Road the fur if you want something for Liz, don't give her copper and don't waste time on iron.
Gift Washington Edu.
Get Drama. No Engineering yet.
Trade Stone to Asoka (try to get a coin or two).
Don't give Liz FreeRel yet. We aren't in that big of a hurry to get the relations with her (just Asoka). Wait until we get something for it like guilds.
More Cottages next instead of iron. Road the fur if you want something for Liz, don't give her copper and don't waste time on iron.
Gift Washington Edu.
Get Drama. No Engineering yet.
Trade Stone to Asoka (try to get a coin or two).
I've been avoiding any "AI priority list" discussion hoping it will go away. I think it's a dangerous concept to try to make this list. For example, If Asoka asked us to go to war with Liz (not that it would happen), would you look at the priority list and say OK, Asoka is more important, let's go to war? Yikes, we'd be better off with a -1 refused to help Asoka, than a war.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
We played badly, damn badly, but the first goal was absolutely not valid (offside)... bah3 - 0![[party]](/images/smilies/partytime.gif "Party [party]")
I'm probably missing something on the "big picture":
why gift Edu to Wash? is not good to trade it for Eng?
We was sure the other continent were backwards, but they seem more advanced than us (us = our continent).
Lib for Drama is not a bit much? almost a gift!!!
We probably have to consider our PA partner on the other continent?
culdeus
Emperor
I'm just basing this off my handy excel reference chart. It's showing a solid line from both Astro and Chem. Ah, looking at the other table it shows the OR. :suicide:
Well that makes it easy then.
I didn't think Wash would trade anything. Either way, we're more interested in getting +4 relations than Engineering.
The AI trades easily among themselves. I'm sure Asoka gave them plenty. The other continent catches up this way.
Unless there are 4 and 5 city civs over there, I doubt we will consider them for PA.
Can't we get Drama without giving Lib?
deleted ...ISP problems..
culdeus
Emperor
Gonna play in an hour or two.
Start sci. method
finish NE start a workboat
Split the workers to do silver and iron next
No consensus on need for tech trades in the short term and will abstain from tech trading in these 7 turns. Will attempt to shop our resources for GPT as possible.
Will move caravel down the east coast of the second island to find what would be the likely people that would land on us via the sea. It's not like a MP bonus will help us in any way.
Start sci. method
finish NE start a workboat
Split the workers to do silver and iron next
No consensus on need for tech trades in the short term and will abstain from tech trading in these 7 turns. Will attempt to shop our resources for GPT as possible.
Will move caravel down the east coast of the second island to find what would be the likely people that would land on us via the sea. It's not like a MP bonus will help us in any way.
I didn't see anyone disagree with these suggestions.
Wash: make him happy
Drama: it'd be nice to start a theatre soon.
Cottages: need more! Population is growing fast.
...and don't we need an aqueduct soon? After the WB maybe.
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