Merum
Permanent Jet Lag
You mean as opposed to having somebody else build it and not even be a candidate for the election? That sounds like a wonderful plan, let's do that.
SGOTM 07 - Fifth Element
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You mean as opposed to having somebody else build it and not even be a candidate for the election? That sounds like a wonderful plan, let's do that.
Turn 1:
Traded Physics for Rifling + Map + 260 gold
Upgrade 5 maces, 1 axeman, 2 archers to Grens
Traded Physic for 90 gold with Saladin
SM to Mansa for 50 gold + Map
Turn 2
Upgraded 1 axeman to a grenadier
Worker starts windmill on plain/forest/hill/riverside
Gift SM to Fred
SM + Rep. Parts + Chemistry to Julius for 10 gold
Physics + Rifling to Mansa
Turn 3:
Nothing?!
IBT: Cathy asks us to declare on Egypt. Refuse
Turn 4:
Cyrus has Steam Power
Physics + Rifling (?) to Fred, for 10 gold and a map
IBT: Julius asks to declare on Kublai, refuse
Turn 5:
Liz & Cyrus have democracy for trade, not interested
Asoka completes Statue of Liberty
Great Artist born in Bombay, seems he bombed it, America is losing a lot of territory right now, NY has 2 tiles left to work
Turn 6:
Asoka completes Kremlin
Liz has communism to trade
IBT: Izzy wants open borders, refuse
Turn 7:
IBT: Asoka wants Electricity, I give it, gets him Friendly & willing to sign a DP
Turn 8: Complete Computers - Start ? (Biology as a placeholder)
Beijing starts Laboratory, chop can be completed this turn
Asoka has Biology, but we can't trade anything to him at the moment, as we just gave electricity
Liz'll give steel for Radio
Cyrus will give Steam Power for Electricity
Catherine has Steel too
Traded Physics for Rifling + Map + 260 gold
Upgrade 5 maces, 1 axeman, 2 archers to Grens
Traded Physic for 90 gold with Saladin
SM to Mansa for 50 gold + Map
Turn 2
Upgraded 1 axeman to a grenadier
Worker starts windmill on plain/forest/hill/riverside
Gift SM to Fred
SM + Rep. Parts + Chemistry to Julius for 10 gold
Physics + Rifling to Mansa
Turn 3:
Nothing?!
IBT: Cathy asks us to declare on Egypt. Refuse
Turn 4:
Cyrus has Steam Power
Physics + Rifling (?) to Fred, for 10 gold and a map
IBT: Julius asks to declare on Kublai, refuse
Turn 5:
Liz & Cyrus have democracy for trade, not interested
Asoka completes Statue of Liberty
Great Artist born in Bombay, seems he bombed it, America is losing a lot of territory right now, NY has 2 tiles left to work
Turn 6:
Asoka completes Kremlin
Liz has communism to trade
IBT: Izzy wants open borders, refuse
Turn 7:
IBT: Asoka wants Electricity, I give it, gets him Friendly & willing to sign a DP
Turn 8: Complete Computers - Start ? (Biology as a placeholder)
Beijing starts Laboratory, chop can be completed this turn
Asoka has Biology, but we can't trade anything to him at the moment, as we just gave electricity
Liz'll give steel for Radio
Cyrus will give Steam Power for Electricity
Catherine has Steel too
Sounds like some good trading. Glad you weren't shy about passing things around. I thought we'd get Steel by now so we could get some insight into Artill. It'd be nice to trade for Steel and Artill and reserach Rocketry next. What else is open? Fission? That's usually something they need help researching. Do we have the prereqs to start that? If not then MassMedia could be an option if Biology is not ready to trade yet. I can't look at the save for a while.
culdeus
Emperor
should we get a DP with asoka?
MacBalt
Learnéd Fool
Looks good dutch. I can't check the save right now either, but everything sounds good. I think we should get that DP with Asoka. He'll dump us when we go PA with Liz, but let's keep our options open as long as possible.
I decided to replay my old save but delay the PA this time to see if it would speed me along. It did. I see now that the PA does speed up research when you both research together, but the boost isn't as much as it appears from the tech time-bar jump because in a PA the techs cost more to get in the first place. (Thanks for pointing out that thread, dutchfire.) Trading is faster, but we'll have to watch for two things, I think. (1) I didn't have any problem losing my potential PA partner to another alliance, but I don't know how this will play out in the real game. (2) We shouldn't wait too long to PA or there will be a backlog of space parts for Liz to complete in her three-city empire. Thanks again for the insights, WastinTime. These "little" extras are the things that would take forever to find out on my own.
I decided to replay my old save but delay the PA this time to see if it would speed me along. It did. I see now that the PA does speed up research when you both research together, but the boost isn't as much as it appears from the tech time-bar jump because in a PA the techs cost more to get in the first place. (Thanks for pointing out that thread, dutchfire.) Trading is faster, but we'll have to watch for two things, I think. (1) I didn't have any problem losing my potential PA partner to another alliance, but I don't know how this will play out in the real game. (2) We shouldn't wait too long to PA or there will be a backlog of space parts for Liz to complete in her three-city empire. Thanks again for the insights, WastinTime. These "little" extras are the things that would take forever to find out on my own.
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
Nice sarcasm.Merum said:
But the point is valid - won't someone else build it anyway, and so we are still at risk of enforced civic changes? I don't know... it's been ages since I've pursued late game diplo.Nice TS anyway. I can't check the save, so can't really comment on future techs, but am loving the rate of trade. Can someone post a glance and tech trade s/s, pls?? Can anyone suggest a reason not to DP Asoka.
lol: - is that in bad taste?) Sounds ok to me.edit: Power graphs - I was pretty sure some teams would go for conquest. I wonder what units they're going with? 1000AD - maybe upgrades to infantry?
Yea, those power jumps have to be conquest or Dom. I'll be very disappointed with the map/game designer if he made our continent large enough for domination without ever going to the other land mass. That's not really "world domination" is it? I don't have a lot of respect for conq/dom in general, but that's mostly because it's done at marathon speed. I'm sure normal speed, and OCC, and extra opponents make it a very challenging game.
In one of my games, 1820 AD launch, no one built the UN.
In my other game, 1750 AD launch, I gave Liz Radio so she got MassM and built the UN. Then, as soon as the vote pops up, I sign a PA with her. I use that event as a trigger to sign in most of my games like this.
However, since we only have 1 shot at this, I see your point and feel the fear too of losing civic options. Instead of ignoring the UN and hoping it's not a problem, I can support a more active role. Either, try to get Liz to built it and PA with her. Or build it ourselves. Has anyone done any analysis? like who are we up against? Who would likely vote for us? for them? etc. I think if we build it ourselves, that's not a big hit to research, but I'd really like to not research MassMedia. It's a much bigger gamble to trade for MM and built UN though. Discuss....
Yes, but if you just wipe out our continent except for 1, they will fill in the space. More likely the approach would be to beat a city down to 1 defender and let your partner take it.
culdeus
Emperor
Don't count this out as a path some will take. Some are like me and know only really one way to play. I like using these exercises to learn a few things.
The sheer number of troops required though could seriously nuke an economy if you aren't taking the cities. It would for sure require a PA.
MacBalt
Learnéd Fool
Ummm... Who's up? On the last roster I could find it looked like Sweetaschon -- but if he can't play then it looks like it might be me. Wazzzup Sweeta?
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
Still no go for me, I still haven't recovered the lost items from my wallet, so it could be a few more days. Skip me until further notice. Also, I notice that the game has been extended until August 2?th, so no rush.
The UN - I'm really uninformed without the save or other info, so I can't really comment. To be honest, I don't recall having too much trouble with UN civic votes in my test wins, especially if MM is not pursued, as the time between UN and launch is small. What have other people found in tests?
The UN - I'm really uninformed without the save or other info, so I can't really comment. To be honest, I don't recall having too much trouble with UN civic votes in my test wins, especially if MM is not pursued, as the time between UN and launch is small. What have other people found in tests?
culdeus
Emperor
It almost always comes after or at worst right around PA for me. Probably worth the gamble to just ignore it completely and hope for the best.
MacBalt
Learnéd Fool
Okay, I've got the save. Will post a plan by tomorrow and plan to play Monday night or Tuesday depending on how the discussion goes. I'll aim for 10 turns (191-201), unless someone wants to suggest something different. (Were we going to go by techs researched, or not?)
I'll try to provide more details on available trades once I've had a chance to review the situation in-game.
Ask and ye shall receive...
I'll try to provide more details on available trades once I've had a chance to review the situation in-game.
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Surely take steam power from Cyrus for Electricity. Then trade that to Liz/Asoka hopefully for steel or biology. What are we researching next? We did not plan so well for post-computers. It would be a good time for Anarchy if we needed to change something, but I don't think we do. If we can get Bio then we only waste that 1 turn.
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