Is good plan.
What about razing nearest coastal cities of other civs if Asoka dallies?
What about razing nearest coastal cities of other civs if Asoka dallies?
SGOTM 07 - Xteam
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ShannonCT
Deity
I've thought about that strategy and calculated the benefit. Razing a city of the population leading rival is about 11 times as useful as razing a same-sized city of someone else. Since razing someone else's city makes both our and the leader's population percent go up, there is very little benefit.
That means that we should only worry about decreasing the population of Cyrus right now. We can watch for a point where Saladin becomes the population leading rival and prepare to raze one of his cities. But it looks like picking on Cyrus alone should get the required population down to 40%, which is manageable.
Understood.
Frederiksberg
Deity
Plan looks good!
Maybe we should send some workers to Karakorum to pasture and farm. It's starving badly.
Maybe we should send some workers to Karakorum to pasture and farm. It's starving badly.
Jimmy Thunder
King
So how many turns until we have the required land % ?
Is getting Berlin captured and out of revolt now the critical path? Or are there other cities that we might be waiting on?
You mention building academy in Antium to get two border pops, and then later mention that all tiles around Berlin/Hamburg/Antium will be ours with single border pop. ?
It is good that we don't need Rome or Kyoto to come out of revolt.
Agreed. If we reduce Cyrus' population by 20 points, we will be very near to 15%. If we leave Salad alone, then he would have 69 points and become the leader with 16% + 25 = 41% Our pop % would then be 43%, good enough.
Fred is right that we need to stop our cities from starving as soon as we can. We should shoot for a goal of our pop being in the 190 - 200 point range as quickly as we can get it there.
ShannonCT
Deity
The German land in the Antium/Berlin/Hamburg triangle will be ours with a single border pop, but two border pops in Antium would eat up a few more tiles near Rome.
If Rome is captured next IBT, we might want to put our academies in Berlin and Rome instead.
DJMGator13
Still breathing
Have we given Asoka the gpt back yet? That was 1 of the other differences between my set and leif's. I know leif gifted 18 gpt back to him but Asoka may also be dragging his feet due to the effect cities will have on his economy.
Has Asoka changes civics yet?
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Likes like both Murky Waters and Misfits have posted another turnset. Misfits power graph raises straight up over the last few turns, so they are probably upgrading troops. MW's continued at the normal slope, this may be good. Doesn't look like they are increasing land or mass updating troops yet.
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It is storming bad here, I'm getting off the computer. Good luck.
Has Asoka changes civics yet?
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Likes like both Murky Waters and Misfits have posted another turnset. Misfits power graph raises straight up over the last few turns, so they are probably upgrading troops. MW's continued at the normal slope, this may be good. Doesn't look like they are increasing land or mass updating troops yet.
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It is storming bad here, I'm getting off the computer. Good luck.
ShannonCT
Deity
Asoka has 1105 gold and 32 gpt. His economy doesn't seem to be hurting at all.
Asoka's civic are Representation, Free Speech, Slavery, State Property, and Free Religion.
I think I'll try to get a few turns in tonight and hopefully report the capture of Berlin and Rome.
Mad Professor
Deity
Good luck. I noticed we have about four cities about to grow next turn, plus Athens which is growing very quickly at the moment. that was encouraging at least with regard to population!
ShannonCT
Deity
Played to the beginning of turn 195
Turn report 192-195:
Turn 192:
Colliseum -> frigate
Democracy -> Steam Power
culture slider @80%, +14 gpt
Galleon with 1 gren and 2 arts moves toward Madrid. Other galleon with 3 arts hides in Delhi to avoid Roman caravels.
Scouting frigates see 3 Arab frigates near Medina. Medina: 5 rifles, 3 cannon. Susa: 4 rifles, 2 cannon. Persepolis: 7 rifles, 2 cavalry, 2 cannon, 1 gren.
workers building watermill near Cuzco.
Asoka: can't cancel wine deal now. Gift him fur though.
Kyoto stack heads into India near Kyoto. Western galleon heads east. artillery @ Rome defeats LB @79%, cat remains. Ask Asoka to attack Rome. Berlin units head toward Kyoto, leaving 2 units.
IBT:
Asoka adopts Universal Suffrage, Emancipation.
Memphis (Egpyt) is captured by Cathy.
New Xbow in Rome, new pike in Berlin. Part of Asoka's stack moves away from Berlin.
Turn 193:
Frigate -> frigate
Artillery kills Xbow in Rome @97%, cat remains.
Artillery kills pike in Berlin @99.9%, cat remains.
Gift galleon with three units to Asoka near Madrid.
WW at 23, culture set to 90%.
IBT:
New LB in Berlin.
New LB in Rome. Asoka lands three units next to Rome.
Roman frigate spotted near Rome.
Turn 194:
Frigate -> frigate
SAM kills LB at Berlin @99.8%. Asoka is moving back toward Berlin with whole stack.
Scouting Paris: 10 rifles, 5 cavs, 3 galleon, 3 frigates. This looks like the only significant navy of Cyrus.
Galleon moving near Rome moves into open ocean to evade Roman frigate.
Artllery at Rome bombards defenses 21% to 6%.
IBT:
Asoka captures Beshbalik and Rome. Julius is destroyed.
Our population is now at 39.03%
Asoka moves units closer to Berlin, will be next to Berlin next turn.
Turn report 192-195:
Turn 192:
Colliseum -> frigate
Democracy -> Steam Power
culture slider @80%, +14 gpt
Galleon with 1 gren and 2 arts moves toward Madrid. Other galleon with 3 arts hides in Delhi to avoid Roman caravels.
Scouting frigates see 3 Arab frigates near Medina. Medina: 5 rifles, 3 cannon. Susa: 4 rifles, 2 cannon. Persepolis: 7 rifles, 2 cavalry, 2 cannon, 1 gren.
workers building watermill near Cuzco.
Asoka: can't cancel wine deal now. Gift him fur though.
Kyoto stack heads into India near Kyoto. Western galleon heads east. artillery @ Rome defeats LB @79%, cat remains. Ask Asoka to attack Rome. Berlin units head toward Kyoto, leaving 2 units.
IBT:
Asoka adopts Universal Suffrage, Emancipation.
Memphis (Egpyt) is captured by Cathy.
New Xbow in Rome, new pike in Berlin. Part of Asoka's stack moves away from Berlin.
Turn 193:
Frigate -> frigate
Artillery kills Xbow in Rome @97%, cat remains.
Artillery kills pike in Berlin @99.9%, cat remains.
Gift galleon with three units to Asoka near Madrid.
WW at 23, culture set to 90%.
IBT:
New LB in Berlin.
New LB in Rome. Asoka lands three units next to Rome.
Roman frigate spotted near Rome.
Turn 194:
Frigate -> frigate
SAM kills LB at Berlin @99.8%. Asoka is moving back toward Berlin with whole stack.
Scouting Paris: 10 rifles, 5 cavs, 3 galleon, 3 frigates. This looks like the only significant navy of Cyrus.
Galleon moving near Rome moves into open ocean to evade Roman frigate.
Artllery at Rome bombards defenses 21% to 6%.
IBT:
Asoka captures Beshbalik and Rome.
Julius is destroyed.Our population is now at 39.03%
Asoka moves units closer to Berlin, will be next to Berlin next turn.
That looks much better. Nice!!Cyrus and Salad both have Steam Power, not sure about Corporation, but that leads to Assembly Line and Infantry. I see Cyrus has Cavalry too.
Must be about time to visit with Toku...
Mad Professor
Deity
Nice going. Good to see those cities falling in quick succession. Berlin very soon would be a great continuation.
It would be nice to have the necessary population without having to stir up Cyrus, but we'll see what we'll see. We'll have a few turns in between capturing the last city on our continent and the necessary border expansions to alter the population elsewhere if need be.
It would be nice to have the necessary population without having to stir up Cyrus, but we'll see what we'll see. We'll have a few turns in between capturing the last city on our continent and the necessary border expansions to alter the population elsewhere if need be.
Jimmy Thunder
King
Good stuff 
, how many turns till we have enough land %?
, how many turns till we have enough land %?
ShannonCT
Deity
Good stuff
We'll have to figure out the best place to build the academies given the number of turns for cities to come out of revolt, and given the culture each city will produce. I'll try to figure out this puzzle tomorrow.
Completed a population update this morning.
We are currently at 39.08% Once we have all the cities on our continent, that will rise to 43.9%. The current requirement is 44%.
We have 4 cities that are about to grow in Athens (plenty of food), Sparta, Tiwanaku and Madrid (all within 4 turns). Antium and Hamburg come out of resistance in 3 turns, Rome in 8 turns. Figuring the loss of 1 pop point in Kyoto and Berlin when taken and adding 4 pop point for the growth in 4 turns, and assuming no change on the other continent, we would have 44.16% of population once we own Berlin and Kyoto.
Mighty close indeed.
Cyrus currently has 84 pop points for 19.3%
Salad has 70 points for 16.1%
Cathy, who took Memphis in 1320AD, now has about 45 points, or 10.3%
Monty has 19 points for 4.3%
Louis has 12 pop points for 2.7%
Both Mansa and Hattie have 7 points each with 1.6% each of population.
If there is growth on the other continent, we should only need raze one city of Cyrus. An example, should we take and raze Tarsus, his percentage would drop to 17, making the limit 42%. Our percentage would increase to 45% and that would be that! No need to mess with Salad...
We are currently at 39.08% Once we have all the cities on our continent, that will rise to 43.9%. The current requirement is 44%.
We have 4 cities that are about to grow in Athens (plenty of food), Sparta, Tiwanaku and Madrid (all within 4 turns). Antium and Hamburg come out of resistance in 3 turns, Rome in 8 turns. Figuring the loss of 1 pop point in Kyoto and Berlin when taken and adding 4 pop point for the growth in 4 turns, and assuming no change on the other continent, we would have 44.16% of population once we own Berlin and Kyoto.
Mighty close indeed.
Cyrus currently has 84 pop points for 19.3%
Salad has 70 points for 16.1%
Cathy, who took Memphis in 1320AD, now has about 45 points, or 10.3%
Monty has 19 points for 4.3%
Louis has 12 pop points for 2.7%
Both Mansa and Hattie have 7 points each with 1.6% each of population.
If there is growth on the other continent, we should only need raze one city of Cyrus. An example, should we take and raze Tarsus, his percentage would drop to 17, making the limit 42%. Our percentage would increase to 45% and that would be that! No need to mess with Salad...
ShannonCT
Deity
OK, by my estimate, victory is 8 turns away.
Here's how:
1) Berlin is captured 2 turns from now. On that same turn, we declare on Toku and ask Asoka to attack Kyoto. Kyoto should be taken within the next 6 turns after that, unless Asoka is a complete moron.
2) Berlin and Kyoto don't need to come out of revolt. We build academies in Hamburg and Rome. The academy in Rome gives the first border expansion on the same turn it comes out of revolt, in 8 turns. Beshbalik and Antium will get their first border pops within 8 turns without any help. All tiles in Roman land will be ours. The academy in Hamburg gives a second border expansion in Hamburg in 8 turns if we chop the theater that Asoka is going to be building when Hamburg comes out of revolt. With the second border expansion there, we will have all but 7 tiles in German land and all tiles in Japanese land.
3) Even though we may not need it, in 4 turns, just to be safe, we declare on Cyrus. 6 units land at Tarsus, and 8 frigates begin starving other Persian cities, with more frigates following behind.
Here's how:
1) Berlin is captured 2 turns from now. On that same turn, we declare on Toku and ask Asoka to attack Kyoto. Kyoto should be taken within the next 6 turns after that, unless Asoka is a complete moron.
2) Berlin and Kyoto don't need to come out of revolt. We build academies in Hamburg and Rome. The academy in Rome gives the first border expansion on the same turn it comes out of revolt, in 8 turns. Beshbalik and Antium will get their first border pops within 8 turns without any help. All tiles in Roman land will be ours. The academy in Hamburg gives a second border expansion in Hamburg in 8 turns if we chop the theater that Asoka is going to be building when Hamburg comes out of revolt. With the second border expansion there, we will have all but 7 tiles in German land and all tiles in Japanese land.
3) Even though we may not need it, in 4 turns, just to be safe, we declare on Cyrus. 6 units land at Tarsus, and 8 frigates begin starving other Persian cities, with more frigates following behind.
Frederiksberg
Deity
Great progress . I'm very pleased that gifting the galleon helped.
Rome already has an Academy
. We may have to wait for Berlin to come out of revolt. So victory in 8-9 turns should be possible.
I'm leaving shortly for the music festival in Roskilde. Will be back on Sunday. Good luck with the turns.
. I'm very pleased that gifting the galleon helped.ShannonCT said:
Rome already has an Academy
. We may have to wait for Berlin to come out of revolt. So victory in 8-9 turns should be possible.I'm leaving shortly for the music festival in Roskilde. Will be back on Sunday. Good luck with the turns.
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