SGOTM 07 - Xteam

[leif erikson]

I dont see any hurry with Toku, at least not based on taking more tiles. After Hamburg gets 1 border expansion, we'll have every Japanese tile in our hands except the rice. If Hamburg got 2 border expansions, we'd own every tile over there the same turn we captured Kyoto.

The question is: how will declaring on Toku affect Asoka's willlingness to capture other cities?

I'm not sure that it can make it any worse!!

It may be best to avoid further and simply allow the turn to change and see what Asoka will take. I've been saying for 5 turns that he's got to take Rome and Antium, but he doesn't. So I won't say it.

If he takes all three, it'll be time to

 

[Jimmy Thunder]

Have we built a market already in Beijing? Or a colloseum?

It just seems a waste to build the Globe right at the end of the game and right before our war weariness is about to go away... although we should build it if the only other alternative is starvation.

 

[ShannonCT]

A Colliseum would be a good choice. It can be built in one turn and gives 6 happiness at 100% culture. It should be enough to cover the additional WW from Toku if we want to attack him before Fred and Julius are dead.

Any objections?

 

[leif erikson]

A Colliseum would be a good choice. It can be built in one turn and gives 6 happiness at 100% culture. It should be enough to cover the additional WW from Toku if we want to attack him before Fred and Julius are dead.

Any objections?

Not really, as it is a good idea. I think it will depend upon how long Asoka is going to take to capture those cities. I was kind of shocked at how quickly WW builds up. If we have any problems with Toku, it could add 10 red faces in, seemingly, no time. I think it is at 38 or something close now.

If it allows us to put out some quick Frigates, then let's do it and see how long it lasts...

 

[Frederiksberg]

Colosseum is fine.

Remember to queue up The Statue of Liberty so that Asoka doesn't build it.

A couple of workers are improving tiles that are outside the fat cross of any city. They can probably be put to better use. The same goes for the one building a lumber mill. We don't want Asoka to work food less tiles anyway so its much better to farm or build work shops.

Why don't we put the engineer specialist back on a food tile so that we can give Asoka his corn back. That would boost growth in a couple of his cities. And let's cancel the silver deal with Cyrus and give the silver to Asoka - he is close to the happy cap in some cities.

Should we unload one of our galleons near Madrid and gift the units to Asoka?

 

[Jimmy Thunder]

Have we looked into war weariness calculations recently?

Maybe we are doing something unintentionally that is stacking up the war weariness points? (or maybe it's just the deity factor!)

I wonder if using predominantly seige units makes an impact since each time we attack we are effectively doing combat with not just one but 4-5 units as collateral damage is applied?

 

[Frederiksberg]

Misfits have lost their power lead compared to us. Hopefully this is a good sign.

 

[leif erikson]

Remember to queue up The Statue of Liberty so that Asoka doesn't build it.

Salad has it already, so we can't build it.

Why don't we put the engineer specialist back on a food tile so that we can give Asoka his corn back.

Missed this. The program has been assigning an Engineer nearly every turn and I've had to keep sending him back to working the Fur tile. It has happened several times during the set.

 

[ShannonCT]

Colosseum is fine.

Remember to queue up The Statue of Liberty so that Asoka doesn't build it.

A couple of workers are improving tiles that are outside the fat cross of any city. They can probably be put to better use. The same goes for the one building a lumber mill. We don't want Asoka to work food less tiles anyway so its much better to farm or build work shops.

Why don't we put the engineer specialist back on a food tile so that we can give Asoka his corn back. That would boost growth in a couple of his cities. And let's cancel the silver deal with Cyrus and give the silver to Asoka - he is close to the happy cap in some cities.

Should we unload one of our galleons near Madrid and gift the units to Asoka?

OK, I'll make sure our workers are building usable farms and that Beijing is MMed.

I dont think it's for lack of units that Asoka is not taking cities. I think we should hold onto those two galleon-loads for use against Persia.

Have we looked into war weariness calculations recently?

Maybe we are doing something unintentionally that is stacking up the war weariness points? (or maybe it's just the deity factor!)

I wonder if using predominantly seige units makes an impact since each time we attack we are effectively doing combat with not just one but 4-5 units as collateral damage is applied?

According to the War Weariness thread in the War Academy, the collateral damage doesn't increase WW. Being attacked (win or lose) gives twice the WW as attacking and winning. So those suicide charges by the AI are taking their toll. Other things that are making it high are the Deity level, the small map, and the late era. Nothing we can do about any of these.

I will play a turn soon. Fingers crossed.

 

[rrau]

We can also still build a jail to decrease war weariness by 25%

 

[ShannonCT]

OK, just played a turn:

Turn 191:
MM Beijing and change build to Colliseum
Cancel silver to Sally
Cancel corn from Asoka and gift silver to Asoka
Ask Asoka to attack Hamburg
Scouting with frigates:
- Arbela (Persian) has 3 rilfles, 1 galleon, 1 frigate
- Najran (Arabian) has 2 rifles, 1 frigate

Hit enter (fingers crossed)

IBT:
Asoka captures Hamburg and Antium!

Mansa declares war on Hatty
A new LB has appeared in Rome.
Asoka is moving significant forces toward Berlin, and a small force toward Beshbalik.

 

[rrau]

 

[Mad Professor]

Hit enter (fingers crossed)

IBT:
Asoka captures Hamburg and Antium!

Mansa declares war on Hatty
A new LB has appeared in Rome.
Asoka is moving significant forces toward Berlin, and a small force toward Beshbalik.

You'll have to share that finger crossing technique with the rest of us SCT...

 

[Cactus Pete]

Finally!

Since Rome is the only city that Asoka can take next turn, suggest we risk our artillery to try to get it back to one defender and ask Asoka to go there.

Wondering if fear of WW was affecting Asoka's decisions and the gift of silver was critical. Might want to gift him the furs. (Can't believe there is no market in Delhi.)

 

[leif erikson]

IBT:
Asoka captures Hamburg and Antium!

See, I knew you could do it!!

 

[DJMGator13]

Finally!

Since Rome is the only city that Asoka can take next turn, suggest we risk our artillery to try to get it back to one defender and ask Asoka to go there.

Wondering if fear of WW was affecting Asoka's decisions and the gift of silver was critical. Might want to gift him the furs. (Can't believe there is no market in Delhi.)

It might also help explain why he's been running priest in his larger cities.

If we go with the Globe build over the colosseum we could give Asoka all our happy resources. Although I'm not sure we have any that he doesn't have other than the furs that CP mentioned (I don't have the save opened).

 

[Frederiksberg]

Nice to see Asoka taking Antium! I was convinced that Hamburg would be captured.

I dont think it's for lack of units that Asoka is not taking cities. I think we should hold onto those two galleon-loads for use against Persia.

Yes, he has plenty of units, but the idea is to give him some more units close to Rome to save time. It seems like both artillery units near Rome are assigned to pillaging and not city attack. We could even gift the galleon hoping that Asoka will sail down to Rome and attack. 2 galleons may be enough to do the attack on Tarsus (we have 3). We could also build an extra galleon if needed.

It might also help explain why he's been running priest in his larger cities.

I think the explanation is that Asoka is using Representation so hiring specialists is better than working tiles. He seems to value hammers a lot for the moment (and priests provide hammers) so building some work shops or water mills might convince him to work more food tiles.

 

[ShannonCT]

Since Rome is the only city that Asoka can take next turn, suggest we risk our artillery to try to get it back to one defender and ask Asoka to go there.

Agree. Rome will determine our victory date. It's worth the risk.

Wondering if fear of WW was affecting Asoka's decisions and the gift of silver was critical. Might want to gift him the furs. (Can't believe there is no market in Delhi.)

That's possible. I also notice that Asoka is not using many of the nice farms we built him. Maybe getting more happiness resources will encourage him the grow his population. When Berlin falls, our WW will drop a lot, so we can afford to give some back.

Yes, he has plenty of units, but the idea is to give him some more units close to Rome to save time. It seems like both artillery units near Rome are assigned to pillaging and not city attack. We could even gift the galleon hoping that Asoka will sail down to Rome and attack. 2 galleons may be enough to do the attack on Tarsus (we have 3). We could also build an extra galleon if needed.

I think we should give him one galleon full of units near Madrid if he doesn't take Rome next IBT, or if our artillery dies at Rome this turn. We can bring our galleon on the west coast back east for the Tarsus assault. Tarsus is not time sensitive. Rome is.

I think the explanation is that Asoka is using Representation so hiring specialists is better than working tiles. He seems to value hammers a lot for the moment (and priests provide hammers) so building some work shops or water mills might convince him to work more food tiles.

Watermills are a good option. They'll give an extra food and be something that Asoka will want to work.

 

[ShannonCT]

Plan for the next 9 turns:

Beijing: Build lots of frigates and position them around Persian cities.

Workers: Build watermills, chop trees, hook resources

Units: Most Berlin units move toward Kyoto. Hamburg units get in position to attack Kyoto. One galleon full of units moves toward Madrid and gets gifted next turn if necessary. Rome artillery attacks this turn. If dies, then 1 artillery from Beshbalik takes its place. West coast galleon moves toward Kyoto.

Asoka: Give him fur and cancel the wine gift so he gets 2 more happiness. (These are the only two happiness resources he doesn't have.) Ask him to attack Rome.

Great Scientists: Build academies in Antium and Beshbalik to get two border expansions in those cities. With two border expansions in those cities and Madrid, there will only be 7 tiles around Rome that we don't own even before it comes out of revolt. All tiles around Berlin/Hamburg/Antium will be ours with a single border expansion. All tiles around Kyoto except 1 will be ours before Kyoto comes out of revolt. That would give us all but 8 tiles on our continent, and by Leif's count, we needed all but 11.

Kyoto: declare on Toku after Berlin is taken and after Asoka has taken or is getting ready to take Rome.

Persia: declare on Persia after Germany and Romans are destroyed. Raze Tarsus and blockade other cities. Be ready to switch the attack onto Saladin.

 

[leif erikson]

Sounds good!

The domination limit for pop has increased again, to 44%.