SGOTM 08 - Chokonuts

[Mighty Dwaarf]

To max our wonder/turns score we need to keep up average of about a wonder every 6-7 turns thats why I think our max will be after 5 mentioned in previous post. If we can wrestle any of Greeks that is bonus. After that I realistically think others will not increase this score.
I dont think we will have time (real time) to get all wonders in a month bearing in mind the battles needed to get them. I would have prefered to go for this but probably not enough real time to achieve. So think we should probs be prudent and try to max wonder/turns score.
I assume we will be up against Joao as he has next highest pop he will get Gandhi vote as is his Vassal. The only votes we have chance at is Boudicca and Charly but still need diplo improvement here hence we should drop confuscian and if poss prob go to Buddhist. This should secure their vote for us. Hopefully with some captured greek cities we should have enough votes.
Warring with Gandhi is out as he is joao vassal which would mean war on both continents war with Rome would not really gain us much as he only has island cities left.

 

[mc-red]

I also would have liked to get all the wonders but with the time pressure and the clearly optimum path being to finish of the currently attainable wonders it is best to shoot for completion.

Too bad as it would be the only time I would be involved with a game swept the table.

Nice turn set cubbies our tech rate is great.

 

[McArine]

Hi, my pc is finally in working order.

I know we haven't got much time, but I'd like to suggest that we change the way we play a bit.
So we play until a wonder or other is finished, then stop, upload, try to calculate our score, and determine how many turns there can go before we have to get the next wonder.
I know it will take longer, but if we start our rush schedule with 24 hour to grab, or next can play, I think that we can make good progress.

My suggestions for next turns, is to attack greece, try to get his three, and get the 5 suggested by Mighty Dwaarf. When those 5 are in, I think we should recalculate, and see how far we are with the war.

Another note, if we want to get as many of the corporations, we should pick two cities to focus on the GA and GM, I'd say it should be Nobamba, Carib or Delhi, as they are the furthest, and can get the most GP points. Just in case we end up playing for another 15-25 turns.

 

[mc-red]

Hi, my pc is finally in working order.

Another note, if we want to get as many of the corporations, we should pick two cities to focus on the GA and GM, I'd say it should be Nobamba, Carib or Delhi, as they are the furthest, and can get the most GP points. Just in case we end up playing for another 15-25 turns.

Good point. We probably also need to slow down GP production at yoda now the GS's are covered.
Also, if whichever we choose for GM probably could use industrial park.

Whose up next?

edit:
For GArtist could use caste system and go crazy in a city with the artists?

 

[Ozbenno]

Mighty id up next and then McArine can jump in after that.

 

[Mighty Dwaarf]

Im goingto be tied up (not literally) this weekend so skip me please.

 

[Ozbenno]

McArine, can you get to this?

 

[McArine]

I can get to it saturday.

If I get to it first, I'll start two cities towards GM and GA.
I'll beeline for Robotics, to prepare for the last wonder.
I'll start a war with Greece, and keep up production of armaments.

Thoughts, other things I should remember?

 

[Ozbenno]

Can't remember if Plastics is on the way to Robotics? It should be first tech we research. Maybe Flight after so we can get units to the front quicker (airdrop). Try and get the promotion we need for West Point (ie don't upgrade our highest XP rifles and cavalry and try and get them cheap XP)

 

[mc-red]

Can't remember if Plastics is on the way to Robotics? It should be first tech we research. Maybe Flight after so we can get units to the front quicker (airdrop). Try and get the promotion we need for West Point (ie don't upgrade our highest XP rifles and cavalry and try and get them cheap XP)

I didn't look at the save but doesn't the super medic enable for us West Point?

 

[cubbiesin08]

Even if we don't get one of the units enough experience quickly, we should be getting another GG before too long...it's been quite a while since we got the last one. Especially with more war coming, that might be the easiest way to get it.

 

[Ozbenno]

Even if we don't get one of the units enough experience quickly, we should be getting another GG before too long...it's been quite a while since we got the last one. Especially with more war coming, that might be the easiest way to get it.

True, we need a unit to get 27XP. A GG gives 20 so we can do it pretty easy.

 

[McArine]

Can't remember if Plastics is on the way to Robotics? It should be first tech we research. Maybe Flight after so we can get units to the front quicker (airdrop).

Plastics is on the way to Robotics.
So finish Plastics then Flight -> Computers -> Robotics.

 

[Mighty Dwaarf]

Do we look to change religion or civics to gain more votes in UN. Changing to Free Religion or Buddhism (if we can) would gain us more votes. Maybe check Celic and HRE fave civics and change to them if poss too. Remember they need to be also using civic too for us to gain the diplo bonus.

 

[Ozbenno]

We'll lose Joao's votes but he will probably be our opponent, so maybe switch if we think we'll get the votes. I think we're going to have tpo take them down as well to win this.

 

[mc-red]

True, we need a unit to get 27XP. A GG gives 20 so we can do it pretty easy.

I checked the save we have 8/150 xp towards next GG.
Given the amount of warring should not be a problem.

Other option is to upgrade the medic 23/26 to a cav and give him easy mop up battles.
But that probably works for the rifleman anyway.

 

[Mighty Dwaarf]

Upgrading units with xp > 10 puts their accrued xp back to 10 so upgradin the medic isnt going to work and is behind Ozs point about not upgrading top rifle units.
My thinking behind changing religion to gain Celtic and HRE votes is based on Joao being our opponent. If we can manage to take most Greek cities then hopefully between the three of us we will have enough votes. We must be wary of HRE taking too many Greek cities and then becoming our opponent instead of Joao as this will make it more difficult.

 

[mc-red]

Upgrading units with xp > 10 puts their accrued xp back to 10 so upgradin the medic isnt going to work and is behind Ozs point about not upgrading top rifle units.

THanks Mighty,
I was completely baffled by this upgrade stuff as I have never experienced the problem.
I play with the solver/dresden unofficial update (in my offline games) so I am guessing that it must solve this problem.
Hopefully, HOF mod will take care of this in the future as it seems so bogus.

 

[McArine]

Dang I experienced my computer crash too, it was at my 8th turn, I have the autosave from beginning of the turn.
mc-red, what did you do when you had a crash?

 

[mc-red]

This is what AlanH told me when I pm'd him.

Just play from the beginning of turn and try to do everything the same.
The key is not to use any fore knowledge.
If you are unsure if you can do that give up the turn and let someone else play.
In your case as it is just from beginning of turn I would just replay but let AlanH know anyway to be up front.

edit:
I had set my build queues' turn 1 and had faced the counter attack same turn.
The crash happened essentially on my march to Rome and with units travelling to the loading zones.
Replaying was pretty easy in that case without any fore knowledge issues.