SGOTM 08 - Fifth Element

Here are three screenies from cities that are soon going to cause us "revolt" troubles: Lahore, Agra, and Calcutta. You can see the "chance of revolt" pop-up I was talking about. If we put more units in these cities, the chance of revolt will go down, but we may have to station many units in each city to bring the chance down to zero. Anyone have any ideas?

Those are new cities that are currently in revolt. There is no longer any Indian cultural influence on the continent, so once they come out of revolt, our influence will go up and the Indian influence will go down. We have the Sistine Chapel, so all our specialists produce +2 culture per turn. If we build Theaters we cen run artists for more culture (if it is necessary) near the Roman borders. I really don't think it will be much of a problem. In 20 turns or so we will DOW Rome and take the cities that are causing cultural pressure. That will be near the end of the game.
 
The cavalry going to Vienne first then to Bibracte is a great plan.

Small detail: You show the boats unloading on top of military units. You should probably go south of that tile.
 
Those are new cities that are currently in revolt. There is no longer any Indian cultural influence on the continent, so once they come out of revolt, our influence will go up and the Indian influence will go down. We have the Sistine Chapel, so all our specialists produce +2 culture per turn. If we build Theaters we cen run artists for more culture (if it is necessary) near the Roman borders. I really don't think it will be much of a problem. In 20 turns or so we will DOW Rome and take the cities that are causing cultural pressure. That will be near the end of the game.
I agree that ultimately the best solution will be our DOW on Rome, but I think the chance of revolt shown in these screenies is real and coming from Rome and the Holy Roman Empire instead of India. Obviously the cities cannot go "into revolt" while they are still coming out of the initial revolt after conquest, but I'm pretty sure it will be a problem very quickly after they come out of that. With only 20 turns until the DOW though, maybe there won't be time for a full flip to happen. On the other hand, how much does it really hurt us if one or two of them do flip? We'll just have to take them back after the DOW.

Small detail: You show the boats unloading on top of military units. You should probably go south of that tile.
You're right, I missed this when I made the map. On the other hand though, with Rifles we might be able to take them out in the initial landing. Not sure it would be worth it anyway though. Depends on the combat odds, I guess. I'm sure culdeus will figure out the best path.
 
Lookin' at Balth maps, we surely need to take both Vienne and Gergovia, not to speak about Tolosa and Bibracte.
After those, if Bou remains with 2 cities, maybe lightly defended, would not be better wipe her?

We can maybe ask Charlie to join?

Just an idea...
 
I don't think we need Gergovia. Not enough pressure on Bibr I think.

We need to be quick with this war. What if one of the others won't capitulate so quickly? We need to take this gift from B
 
Gergovia an Vienne are very close to Bibra, just this.
 
Gergovia an Vienne are very close to Bibra, just this.
Looks to me like Bibracte is within the fourth third (not counting original 9 tiles) border-expansion perimeter of both cities, making them effectively equally distant. Vienne was probably founded earlier though, which means it is more likely to have expanded that far than Gergovia. (Anyone know if Vienne is her second city?) I don't know if Boudica is one of the AI likely to push culture in her cities or not. I usually consider her more of a warmonger. :confused:

EDIT: A closer inspection of the buildings visible in Gergovia might be in order at this point.
 
I see a Library, Monument and Castle, but no other culture buildings. (It also has at least a Granary, Barracks and Wall.) I also note that it is outside of the Great Wall, and placed in such a way that can be no earlier than her third city and maybe as late as fifth. (I was just having fun with the third screen shot. :D)
 

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Your "fun SS" is a monument.
It produces culture after it's obsolete, and it's probably very old.
Bibra is in the 4th ring of those cities, and this is enough to be threatened by their culture.

I'd like to not take risks, let's conquer them.
 
After Bibracte is ours, we'll know if it gets direct pressure from those cities. Decide then. Vienne can fall simultaneously, but Gergovia is likely a delay.
 
Looks to me like Bibracte is within the fourth third (not counting original 9 tiles) border-expansion perimeter of both cities, making them effectively equally distant. Vienne was probably founded earlier though, which means it is more likely to have expanded that far than Gergovia. (Anyone know if Vienne is her second city?) I don't know if Boudica is one of the AI likely to push culture in her cities or not. I usually consider her more of a warmonger. :confused:

EDIT: A closer inspection of the buildings visible in Gergovia might be in order at this point.

Vienne isn't a Celtic city...it is a HRE city. She probably took it from Charlie in an earlier war.
 
After Bibracte is ours, we'll know if it gets direct pressure from those cities. Decide then. Vienne can fall simultaneously, but Gergovia is likely a delay.
Yes, this is best, but it is fun to think about the possibilities. :mischief:

Vienne isn't a Celtic city...it is a HRE city. She probably took it from Charlie in an earlier war.
Interesting! Good catch, Mesix. It must have been a very early capture indeed, with the great wall detouring to go around it like that. In fact, we can probably date the city back to a few turns just before the Great Wall was completed, because its cultural boundaries had not yet expanded to their second ring.

One other thing. If Vienne was Charlie's and he and Boudica have a troubled past then it might be easy to get him to join us in the war, as BLubmuz suggested earlier. Don't know if that would be best, since we're probably just going to turn around and kill Charlie next, but... whatever. :backstab:
 
HRE or Celtic, Vienne is a cultural threat.
Agreed with WT, we can wait to take Bibra before decide, but i can bet we need to take it.
Anyway it's in the path to Charlie's Capital, IIRC.
 
In another game, Boudicia offered me Vienne in a peace treaty, and HRE was not in that game. I may be mistaken about Vienne.

I checked Wikipedia (they know everything) and Vienne is a city of Celtic (Gaul) origin located in France. You learn something new everyday.
 
I checked Wikipedia (they know everything) and Vienne is a city of Celtic (Gaul) origin located in France. You learn something new everyday.
Fascinating. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me love this game. I was afraid my English "limitations" had lead me to mistake Vienna (Austria) for a Celtic city. Three years since I bought it and the game still has more secrets and remains more "alive" than just about anything else I've ever installed on a computer.
 
Whose turn is it?
 
I think culdeus has the save. I can't play until the weekend, but would be happy to take it then.
 
Sorry I haven't been active, but work was getting hectic by year end.

The way I see it, we're aiming more towards a conquest victory than a domination victory. So I really see no reason to delay capitulating Boudica and heading straight towards HRE.

Capitulating her now would give her more troops to help out against HRE or at least defend against him while we provide the offense to push through him.

If we must take any additional cities to work tiles, Tolosa is all we need. Take it and if Bibracte's culture is too oppressive raze it. Bibracte's culture should push it's border but still leave enough for Verlamion to work it's tile. Even if she resettles it, culture would be the same as Verlamion anyway and wouldn't press it much.

But as far as I see it, spending time taking more cities from Boudica isn't taking up time we could use to achieve Conquest faster. If we check and see if the AI is willing to capitulate after every city we take, we should be able to push through the remaining 3 within the next >40 turns.

However, if we are indeed going for domination, then taking Tolosa and Bibracte is fine. I'm not sure taking Camulodonum is necessary.
 
Yes, berserks seems a bit out of sync :)

But where is Culdeus? he was postin a detailed plan 3 days ago, but then disappeared.
We can't afford to play 1 TS every week or more.
We need a swap, if he doesn't post something in few hours.
 
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